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Re: Curiosity

Postby Dsydnll » Wed Mar 09, 2016 9:14 am

Hi vince,
That is why i guide. It offers continual opportunity to examine what is taken for granted. (you might consider 'paying it forward' too, when the time comes ?)
i certainly will.
i suspect that this is a never ending journey.. Wonder-Full !
Sounds good.
It seems that 'awakening' is the journey and awareness is the destination.
Although i know what you mean, what arose here, is that there is no destination. Maybe aware-ing is the footwear ?
Agreed.
There is certainly a "beyond thought and questions", but language is inadequate to label it. Do you experience this ?
Yes, In times of quiet but as the day and mind gets busy it appears to get covered up. Then there is the paradox of trying to remember something that cannot be imagined or trying to feel something that can only be revealed.
Can you describe this ? Is it a state ? Is it a static "nature" ?
Unfortunately i have a busy day and so don't have time to sit quietly this morning. From memory, i would describe this as living awareness (although this could be misinterpreted), a 'breath' that penetrates all things, on this occasion most pronounced in the chest area. This has been witnessed before as everything but this time there was the realisation from within - i hope that i am not merely repeating what has been read but there was the sense that i am that (i hope that makes sense?). i would not describe this as a state.

Today i feel a sort of weight in the solar plexus/chest area but am not sure if this is imagination.

i have so many questions but of course this is the mind talking. i guess i need to listen to that inner voice (tempted to put a question mark- ha).

I can't resist ending with a question - what now?

Much love and thanks for your continued time and patience.

tim

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Re: Curiosity

Postby vinceschubert » Wed Mar 09, 2016 12:59 pm

Good evening Tim,
There is certainly a "beyond thought and questions", but language is inadequate to label it. Do you experience this ?
Yes, In times of quiet but as the day and mind gets busy it appears to get covered up. Then there is the paradox of trying to remember something that cannot be imagined or trying to feel something that can only be revealed.
Ha, get used to paradox'. You will probably face many in the near future.
what now?
Let's go through some questions, to see if there is any remaining identification.
1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

2) "Describe your experience of the illusion of separate self, how it arises/disappears. Is that process always the same, or does it vary, and if so, how?"

3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?

5) Do you decide, intend, choose, control events in Life? Do you make anything happen? Give examples from your experience.

6) Anything to add?


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Re: Curiosity

Postby Dsydnll » Thu Mar 10, 2016 11:16 am

Hi vince, i hope all is well.

i would like to sit with these questions for a day or two before i answer, just to make sure there is clarity and that there are no lingering doubts. Many thoughts, questions and some doubts this morning so i would like to rest and digest.

Thank you as always.

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Re: Curiosity

Postby vinceschubert » Thu Mar 10, 2016 12:45 pm

Many thoughts, questions and some doubts this morning so i would like to rest and digest.
No probs Tim.
We can always dig deeper before answering them if you want.
It is not a test. The questions are designed to show if we need to look further. There are no right or wrong answers.

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Re: Curiosity

Postby Dsydnll » Fri Mar 11, 2016 7:55 am

Hi vince,

Thank you. i understand it's not a test but to be honest, i don't know if experience (apart from some times of quiet) has changed much. Yesterday was not a great day but displayed that i'm still very self-conscious, anxious, frustrated and all of the things i should be able to navigate through more easily. The problem is a busy mind that's slow to grasp and quick to forget. Yesterday morning I found it very difficult to be mindful, let alone make any progress. Then i started thinking again about free will and thoughts went in to overdrive.

i also made a mistake (sorry). Because my mind wouldn't switch off , i thought it may be good to get some clarity and further understand free will from a Buddhist perspective. So I looked up thich nhat hanh and further confused myself as he suggests there is free will in mindfulness.

I'm sorry for reading but i have read hardly anything for two months. This is quite difficult with a mind that is always asking questions. I have very little knowledge of nonduality. Is there a book that you can recommend for me to read along side our conversation?

Unfortunately there is only one vince and one million questions here!

Anyway, if you don't mind, can we please explore free will through experience. I don't want to create a new belief either way. It has always been assumed that I have a certain amount of free will but could be reined in at any time (a bit like one of those toddler harnesses). I forgot to watch the BBC video as well so will do so later.

I can understand intellectually that if there is no self then there is no free will but at the moment it FEELS as if there is both.

I don't think there is resistance as such apart from the fact that if I am merely a witness then there is currently some dissatisfaction with the film that is being watched and too much empathy with the character.

I know you don't like me apologising but it feels quite alien not to.

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Re: Curiosity

Postby Dsydnll » Fri Mar 11, 2016 8:13 am

I forgot to mention that experience is getting stranger. Thoughts seem to manifest in some way (that may be the wrong way of putting it ).

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Re: Curiosity

Postby vinceschubert » Fri Mar 11, 2016 10:34 pm

Good morning Tim,
Thoughts seem to manifest in some way
Can you give an example of this ?
and all of the things i should be able to navigate through more easily.
Yes, i 'get it'.
i see that you are living out this "should" story, instead of seeing it as thoughts 'about' something.
i have read hardly anything for two months. This is quite difficult with a mind that is always asking questions.
Yes, you are right. Constant searching (in books) is a way of keeping the mind busy. This gives the promise of progress. Of course it doesn't happen.
i have a packing case full of 'spiritual' books to give away. Haven't read one since 2011.
Is there a book that you can recommend for me to read along side our conversation?
The only one that comes to mind is 'Gateless Gatecrashers'. ..or just read other threads on the forum.
there is only one vince and one million questions here!
Ask away. My NOW lasts forever.
can we please explore free will through experience.
Yes, of course.
Let's do this now..
Take the fact that you are reading this.
The mind will say that you had a choice to come to the computer now or not. Right ?
But if you consider that it happened because all of the necessary conditions to do this, were in place. It is easy to see that for you not to have done this at this time, would have required at least one of those conditions to be different. Can you SEE this ?
Both "free" and "will", are illusions.
Now this doesn't, for a moment, suggest pre-determination. So the illusion of free will doesn't get replaced by external control.
In fact "control" is also an illusion.
If you need a replacement, then try 'circumstances offering conditions'.
Look at the thumb of your left hand.


Did it happen ?
Yes the mind comes along afterwards, and says "I had a choice to do that, or not to do it".
But is this true ?
if there is no self ...l but at the moment it FEELS as if there is...
Yes, and reasonably so.
This is a SENSE OF SELF. ..and that is a very useful thing to have. It is part of what allows you to navigate daily life. It keeps the body safe. It makes communication possible. etc..
It is the result of a lifetime of learning.
Does that mean that a Self actually exists ?
there is currently some dissatisfaction with the film that is being watched and too much empathy with the character.
Ok, this is what you need to cultivate. STEP BACK, and see that this story is running.
To do this is to take you out of acting out the content of the story.
Step back. Recognize that a story is running. Laugh in celebration of the recognition. (even just smile) Do this until it becomes habitual.
Set the intention, that recognition will happen, the moment an unpleasant emotion arises.
I know you don't like me apologising but it feels quite alien not to.
It's not that i don't like you to. It's that it is totally unnecessary from this perspective. Can you imagine that there is no judgement when a mistake is seen. There is simply a recognition that something has occurred.
Do you recognize the discomfort that begets the need to feel and say "sorry" ?
Sent from my phone so please ignore errors.
Yes, of course..

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Re: Curiosity

Postby Dsydnll » Sat Mar 12, 2016 10:44 am

Good morning vince,
Can you give an example of this ?
Yes, for example on the 3rd-4th March, the subject of magic was raised and on 4th March, one of my clients was a practitioner of witchcraft/wicca. Around the time when the concept of time was being contemplated, i was heating something in the microwave and i heard two beeps for no reason. When i looked, the timer had increased by two minutes (on it's own and for no reason). Also around this time my watch lost battery power and when i went to use other watches, they had too. Then yesterday, i was thinking i must take my watches to the watch repairer and started planning when i would fit it in (the shop is about a 10 mile round trip). i popped into a local supermarket before work and there in front of me was a 'pop-up' shop which wasn't there a couple of days before - and of the same chain of shops! And there are many other synchronicities, especially when i feel awareness has expanded.

My favourite one was quite early in this process when i was trying to get to grips with no-self etc (i took a photo)...

https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=C ... hoto%2cjpg

The image on the London Underground seat seems to serve no purpose. There is another image that is sometimes seen on seats closest to the doors (for elderly and disabled people) but i travel on the tube nearly every day and had never noticed it. On this occasion i happened to be sitting directly opposite a man, who got up with a couple of stops to go and revealed this image right infront of me!
Ask away. My NOW lasts forever.
Ha - You may regret saying that.

1) Regarding expansion of awareness, since the last significant experience (observation of true nature) i have found it more difficult to be mindful and more aware. Any ideas?

2) Although i keep reminding myself that the experience of observing my true nature was valid, doubts still arise. Have you experienced what i experienced? And would you describe it in a similar way? (a sort of breath of consciousness/awareness that is everywhere and penetrates).

3) if what was observed was true, then i assume that this was an awakening. Would you interpret this in the same way? And if so, why did awareness contract afterwards rather than expand?

4) What are thoughts? What purpose do thoughts have? Are they mental sensations/reactions?

If you need a replacement, then try 'circumstances offering conditions'.
i understand this... Are you also saying that these circumstances arise out of 'the great mystery' (your words) and that there is nothing more to know or are you saying that every moment, every action, every thought is related to everything else (action/reaction or possibly reaction/reaction/reaction etc) past/present/future all as one? Or both?

Are you saying that you (in any shape or form) have absolutely zero influence? And if so how can it be that one can step back? - i think i know the answer, it all just happens and human beings try to make sense of it. And as they try to make sense out of it, they create separation?
Yes the mind comes along afterwards, and says "I had a choice to do that, or not to do it".
But is this true ?
In this case no. But what of contemplation before action? You said before that i can imagine myself a better life, how is this so? Or if you said a better life can be imagined, how is this so? i suppose every question can be answered with 'everything just happens' but this feels like a bit of a cop-out.

i'm sure you understand that there is genuine intent here to come to a point of relaxation and complete acceptance (with no lingering doubts or confusion).
Does that mean that a Self actually exists ?
No. i must be thick or overcomplicating this because i still have to keep reminding myself that i am a movement of Life/God/Nature. Does the sense of separation ever disappear completely?
Ok, this is what you need to cultivate. STEP BACK, and see that this story is running.
To do this is to take you out of acting out the content of the story.
Do you mean to dissociate? i suggest to clients who suffer with sleeping difficulties to imagine themselves observing themselves from the third party perspective to provide distance from thoughts. This appears to be a technique rather than a shift in awareness?
There is simply a recognition that something has occurred.
Do you recognize the discomfort that begets the need to feel and say "sorry" ?
No judgment is good. Yes, i'm not sure that the discomfort is a bad thing.

i am stuck in a paradox... i know that intellectual understanding is not the way forwards but am hoping that intellectual understanding will allow the mind to calm enough to allow acceptance to be experienced.

i said you may regret saying 'ask away' but on the other hand it seems you are wiser than that. i have to say vince, it really is a privilege to make your acquaintance.

Hopefully when this is GOT thoroughly, it will put me in a better position to help others. This journey reminds me of my experience with hypnotherapy. Fortunately/unfortunately, i can relate to almost every client, whatever problem they present!

Thank you as always,

Love

tim

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Re: Curiosity

Postby vinceschubert » Sat Mar 12, 2016 1:49 pm

Good evening Tim.
oops, you didn't get the whole address inside the url tags.
And there are many other synchronicities,
Yes, i accept that they arise, and are noticed now, but don't know how they happen, why they happen, and certainly don't put any meaning to them. Just enjoy them.
Ha - You may regret saying that.
Haha, regret doesn't happen any more.
i can't change anything that has already happened.
since the last significant experience (observation of true nature) i have found it more difficult to be mindful and more aware. Any ideas?
Yes. The first idea to arise, said; Tim thinks he has control over mindfulness and awareness. Hahaha...
Almost every time i play golf, i have to search for a ball in the rough. The number of times that i have looked and looked, only to have someone point at my feet, where the ball sits, staring up at me.
These days the intention to look around my feet as i search, happens more.
What you are seeking, is closer than your nose.
Set the intention to notice what is here, now.
The idea that you should be (more) mindful and aware, is like searching 10 feet in front of you.
The recognition of this is here and now.
The line that was the trigger for vince to wake up, was "the mosquito bite (of seeking) will never heal, while you continue to scratch it."
That single line, (said to me by Eric Gross) broke the back of 43 years of seeking, and plunged me into the portal of THIS IS IT!
Whatever i wanted, was story. Current experiencing is ALL. ..and the best i can DO (ha) is be entertained by my puny attempt to describe it.
experience of observing my true nature was valid,
See. Mind comes in and corrupts every experience. (if it is listened to.) This story about "true nature", it's a corruption of that experience. Valid or not, is another corruption. What happened to the pure, pristine nature of that experience ?
It can't be explained. It can't even be described to communicate it. It was a joyous thing that happened, and now you want it back because it means something ???
How can you notice what is happening now, when your head is full of stories about meaning and validity ?
1)
2)
3)
4)
You know the answer to all of these questions. Pretend you are me, and answer what you think i would say.
Don't expect satisfaction from those answers.
The purpose of the question is to satisfy the mind in its obsessive compulsion to explain and apply meaning.
Instead of getting sucked into the content of the questions, look at the 'hoped for' outcome. Do you want certainty ?
Is life-ing open ended ? Is there any such thing as permanence ?
Are you also saying that these circumstances arise out of 'the great mystery'
Some of the necessary conditions that make up current circumstances might be able to be explained (to a degree). Other conditions aren't even seen.
Consider that everything that has ever happened anywhere in existence, since time began (and before), had to happen exactly as it did, for THIS to be exactly the way it is now.
If one thing, a million years ago, happened differently, then THIS would be different. Grok that ?
But, the short answer to your question is that it doesn't matter.
If wondering happens, i am amused. (at the mind looking for unattainable answers)
So, what is happening in the now ? There is wondering and amusement. ..and then a next something.
or are you saying that every moment, every action, every thought is related to everything else
How can i know this ? It is a good story, but can experience expose this ?
It is just something else in the great mystery. i'm too busy (life-ing) to put time and energy towards pondering this.
Are you saying that you (in any shape or form) have absolutely zero influence?
There is influence (conditions) and some might originate in this organism. i can't explain how or why they happen.
If the thought occurs to intend something, it is more likely to happen than if that thought doesn't arise.
But what of contemplation before action?
That might be one of the conditions that makes it more likely to happen.
You said before that i can imagine myself a better life
Yes, and when i said that, it was likely to trigger intent. Did it happen ? (language and past life conditioning, would feed the illusion that you made it happen)
i suppose every question can be answered with 'everything just happens' but this feels like a bit of a cop-out.
Certainly, it could be used as a cop out. i am more interested in copping in.
Saying "everything just happens", is a story, just as current scientific explanations are. It is still in the realm of trying to satisfy a gluttonous mind.
What about allowing the question to not be answered. Maybe, one day, out of the great mystery, will pop an answer.
Life-ing is wonder full !
'm sure you understand that there is genuine intent here to come to a point of relaxation and complete acceptance (with no lingering doubts or confusion).
Yes, i do understand. There is no doubt here of your genuine intent.
As a human being, you are capable of experiencing a full range of experiencing. Are you saying that you want to limit Tim to something less than that ?
Does that mean that a Self actually exists ?
No. i must be thick or overcomplicating this
Yes, over complicating it.
However, once again (grin), that is what is happening. Can you undo what has already happened ?
What do you do when you see that you are overcomplicating things ?
Haha, laugh.
You know, there isn't a movie or a stage show or tv or anything that can provide you with the entertainment value of the mind. It is (literally) fantastic. Enjoy it.
i still have to keep reminding myself that i am a movement of Life/God/Nature.
No you don't. If memory was an issue, then it is only dead knowledge. ..and anyway that story over complicates everything.
Does the sense of separation ever disappear completely?
Yes, but it will probably come back from time to time. It is a sense, that is useful, but doesn't need to be believed.
Do you mean to dissociate?
Yes, except how can you dissociate from a non existent self ?
i mean to take the perspective of a witness.
It approaches wisdom. Seeing the bigger picture. Allowing a soft focus.
This appears to be a technique rather than a shift in awareness?
If the intent is 'successful', then a shift in awareness will happen.
but am hoping that intellectual understanding will allow the mind to calm enough to allow acceptance to be experienced.
Oh, so you have a story that calm mind is necessary for acceptance ?
i have to say vince, it really is a privilege to make your acquaintance.
Ha, and you have no idea of how wonderfull it is having you provide some conditions that 'help' me.
(but thankyou for having such a loving story about vince)
i can relate to almost every client, whatever problem they present!
Yes, empathy can be pleasant or unpleasant. It certainly assists in experiencing that full range of experiencing.


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Re: Curiosity

Postby Dsydnll » Sun Mar 13, 2016 11:01 am

Good morning vince,
oops, you didn't get the whole address inside the url tags.
It's not important but really tickled me at the time.
https://onedrive.live.com/?authkey=!ANs ... 26&o=OneUp
Yes, i accept that they arise, and are noticed now, but don't know how they happen, why they happen, and certainly don't put any meaning to them. Just enjoy them.
They are being enjoyed without meaning.
Yes. The first idea to arise, said; Tim thinks he has control over mindfulness and awareness. Hahaha...
Ha ha, this made me laugh too. i'm beginning to like tim a little more, he can be foolish but innocently so.
What you are seeking, is closer than your nose.
The idea that you should be (more) mindful and aware, is like searching 10 feet in front of you.
Understood, trying is resisting and projecting is obscuring what is in plain sight.
"the mosquito bite (of seeking) will never heal, while you continue to scratch it."
A very wise quote.
Whatever i wanted, was story.
Also very wise.
..and the best i can DO (ha) is be entertained by my puny attempt to describe it.
It does seem ludicrous doesn't it.
See. Mind comes in and corrupts every experience. (if it is listened to.) This story about "true nature", it's a corruption of that experience. Valid or not, is another corruption. What happened to the pure, pristine nature of that experience ?
Agreed 100%. The experience of grace is overlaid with a sort of caveman pointing and grunting - ha.
It can't be explained. It can't even be described to communicate it. It was a joyous thing that happened, and now you want it back because it means something ???
A little more than this... There is a desire for external validation based on experiences many years ago (far too much LSD). If it wasn't for my dad (who i trust and understands such things) confirming that the shared reality/experience was not as i perceived, i would have probably ended up with Syd Barrett in a hospital somewhere. There is a concern about slipping into delusional thinking- hopefully this explains a little.
How can you notice what is happening now, when your head is full of stories about meaning and validity ?
It is more difficult with a busy mind, regardless of whether the stories are believed or not (yes- another story).
1) Regarding expansion of awareness, since the last significant experience (observation of true nature) i have found it more difficult to be mindful and more aware. Any ideas?
Hmm, do you really want me to answer that?
2) Although i keep reminding myself that the experience of observing my true nature was valid, doubts still arise. Have you experienced what i experienced? And would you describe it in a similar way? (a sort of breath of consciousness/awareness that is everywhere and penetrates).
Why does the experience need to have meaning? Why can experience not be enjoyed for what IT IS? Your search for validation takes you away from WHAT IS now. How will you validate your experience when vince is gone?

3) if what was observed was true, then i assume that this was an awakening. Would you interpret this in the same way? And if so, why did awareness contract afterwards rather than expand?
This is a good story about the experience of Tim. You can let me know if the answers are ever revealed!

4) What are thoughts? What purpose do thoughts have? Are they mental sensations/reactions?
vince gave up trying to work out such things many years ago.
How can i know this ? It is a good story, but can experience expose this ?
Nope.
It is just something else in the great mystery. i'm too busy (life-ing) to put time and energy towards pondering this.
Good for you!
There is influence (conditions) and some might originate in this organism. i can't explain how or why they happen.
If the thought occurs to intend something, it is more likely to happen than if that thought doesn't arise.
Ok, i understand... Everything just happens and there is witness of doing so.
Yes, and when i said that, it was likely to trigger intent. Did it happen ? (language and past life conditioning, would feed the illusion that you made it happen)
Yes.
What about allowing the question to not be answered. Maybe, one day, out of the great mystery, will pop an answer.
Life without questions... Whoa, hold on there.
Life-ing is wonder full !
Isn't it just.
As a human being, you are capable of experiencing a full range of experiencing. Are you saying that you want to limit Tim to something less than that ?
i understand that doubts and confusion are part of the journey, just need to learn to accept them (i have no choice anyway).
However, once again (grin), that is what is happening. Can you undo what has already happened ?
It is what it is and it's done when it isn't.
What do you do when you see that you are overcomplicating things ?
Haha, laugh.
Gotcha.
You know, there isn't a movie or a stage show or tv or anything that can provide you with the entertainment value of the mind. It is (literally) fantastic. Enjoy it.
i like this and will set the intention to enjoy. if i am watching the film anyway, i may as well make the most of it.
Does the sense of separation ever disappear completely?
Yes, but it will probably come back from time to time. It is a sense, that is useful, but doesn't need to be believed.
Thank you.
Yes, except how can you dissociate from a non existent self ?
i mean to take the perspective of a witness.
It approaches wisdom. Seeing the bigger picture. Allowing a soft focus.
Ok, the intention will be set to do so.
If the intent is 'successful', then a shift in awareness will happen.
Gotcha

Oh, so you have a story that calm mind is necessary for acceptance ?
Will rethink (no i won't).
Ha, and you have no idea of how wonderfull it is having you provide some conditions that 'help' me.
That is good.

(but thankyou for having such a loving story about vince)
No thanks necessary.
love (and empathy)
Ha- thank you.

i think maybe it is time for me to answer the questions and see how we get on (hopefully by tomorrow).

Much love

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Re: Curiosity

Postby vinceschubert » Sun Mar 13, 2016 1:39 pm

Hi Tim, great joy reading your post.
Nothing to 'work' with arose from it.
Looking forward to your response to the questions.

Well, there was one thing that came up.
That was that a couple of your responses pointed to some future possibilities. Not that there is anything wrong with that. A good exercise would be for you to find them and look for what is present now and consider surrendering to THIS, while you wait to see if the future yields...

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Re: Curiosity

Postby Dsydnll » Mon Mar 14, 2016 9:58 am

Hi vince,
Well, there was one thing that came up...
There is surrender to THIS and acceptance now that whatever will be will be (no need to contemplate the result of questions, desires, concerns, intentions etc, nor the next stop on the journey (may as well enjoy the scenary).
Let's go through some questions, to see if there is any remaining identification.
1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?
There is no separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form, neither was there ever.
2) "Describe your experience of the illusion of separate self, how it arises/disappears. Is that process always the same, or does it vary, and if so, how?"
There is a perspective from which viewing, hearing, feeling happens (from which life is witnessed). It is taught/learned that this perspective is something more tangible and resides inside/of the body. As the organism learns to navigate, it learns that the skin of the body is a barrier. On one side is 'me'/'self' and on the other side is 'everything else'/'other' (learned separation). This is useful for navigational purposes but limits the experience of a greater Awareness as everything is understood/believed to relate to the personal body perspective.

Challenging and seeing through this erroneous belief through 'looking' allows experience/revelation of a greater perspective, a greater Awareness, beyond conceptual understanding.

There then appears to be two perspectives - the narrow perspective of the organism and that of a greater awareness. It currently feels as if this greater Awareness is still revealing itself and there is the sense that it will continue to do so. There is also the sense of 'movement' between perspectives.
3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.
This is still happening. There is the sense of mystery, excitement and anticipation. There is now a far greater sense of awareness than before, there is greater 'sensitivity' and 'open-mindedness'. There is acceptance.
4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?
i'm not sure if there was one 'last bit' (or what 'over' is), though the following exchange led to relaxation...
Yes. The first idea to arise, said; Tim thinks he has control over mindfulness and awareness. Hahaha...
Ha ha, this made me laugh too. i'm beginning to like tim a little more, he can be foolish but innocently so.
Taking myself too seriously - ha
5) Do you decide, intend, choose, control events in Life? Do you make anything happen? Give examples from your experience.
Everything happens and then sometimes thoughts come in to claim ownership (i did that). If attention isn't being paid to thoughts then there is zero sense of 'i did that'.

Decision, intention, choice and control are all concepts that have no reality- they are all thoughts.

Not sure if examples are necessary.
6) Anything to add?
Thank you to Liberation Unleashed for this opportunity and to my guides for their time and patience!

Particularly, there is the recognition and acceptance that sadness is and will be felt at the departure from this experience of my friend vince (and a hole in the day which used to be occupied by this communication).

Love to All.

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Re: Curiosity

Postby vinceschubert » Mon Mar 14, 2016 1:32 pm

Hi Tim, i will put your responses to other guides now to see if i missed anything. Looks good to me.
Particularly, there is the recognition and acceptance that sadness is and will be felt at the departure from this experience of my friend vince (and a hole in the day which used to be occupied by this communication).
No need for either of these stories to happen.
Hope you enjoyed your sadness...
You might be happy to hear that we have a forum for 'Further Looking' and some Facebook groups that will more than fill that hole.
See you on the other side (unless a guide wants clarification on something you wrote)
Oh, and 'friend' me on Facebook, so that i can invite you to join some of those groups.
(https://www.facebook.com/vince.schubert)

love

vince
liberation starts with recognising some illusions

http://www.1ness.info

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Re: Curiosity

Postby Dsydnll » Mon Mar 14, 2016 6:26 pm

Hi vince,
Hi Tim, i will put your responses to other guides now to see if i missed anything. Looks good to me.
Thank you.
Hope you enjoyed your sadness...
Yes, thank you - ha.
You might be happy to hear that we have a forum for 'Further Looking' and some Facebook groups that will more than fill that hole.
Great.
See you on the other side (unless a guide wants clarification on something you wrote)
Fantastic.
Oh, and 'friend' me on Facebook, so that i can invite you to join some of those groups.
Thank you vince, done.

love

tim


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