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Re: Nothing left to want

Postby Danute » Tue Jan 12, 2016 6:54 am

Hi Kay,

Oh, that's great to know where we stand in the process. Thank you for the update on that!
Just have a look…is the ‘doing’ getting done because of your intention or is it just ‘happening’?
It's happening together with thoughts about intention. If there were no thoughts of intention, there would be nothing to "check" against - no way to notice that what was hoped might get done (in AE of thought) actually was getting done. It's just happening like intentions are just happening. A whole bunch of other stuff is happening also that were not intended, so no, there seems to be no causality between the intending and the happening.
But is there an experience that the now is moving along the line of time?
No, the now is not moving. It is always now. Now doesn't move along any path. It is still. It is still now.
How fast is the present moment actually moving?
It is at a complete standstill! It moves not at all.
How long does the now last?
It doesn't last, it just is. There is no long or short about it.
Where does it start and where does it end?
No beginning, it always is and never "was." It does not end, it always is.
When does the now exactly become the 'past'?
It never becomes anything. It is always the now. There is no boundary, no limit to the now.
What is the past in actual experience?
It is actual experience of thought.
We have gone beyond the normal level of looking through the separate individual and done ‘work’ that usually is done in ‘further investigation’, which is a whole new thread.
I'd love to hear more about "further investigations" that occur. When, how? What is the purpose of these further investigations?

Big LOVE, (Big smile! :D )
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Re: Nothing left to want

Postby forgetmenot » Tue Jan 12, 2016 7:04 am

Hey Danute,

Your answers regarding time are pretty clear and I have nothing there to point to further at this time!
I'd love to hear more about "further investigations" that occur. When, how? What is the purpose of these further investigations?
It is another forum on LU for those who have seen through the separate individual but want to keep looking deeper to see through the beliefs of body, time, cause and effect etc.

Here is a link to threads on the Further Investigation forum

http://liberationunleashed.com/nation/v ... m.php?f=36

Thank you for being so diligent in looking and answering questions. Just a few more before the final confirmation questions.

Has it been clearly seen that there has never been a separate individual that could control or own life or anything?
Is there any chooser or decider of any kind?
Is there a separate individual/entity of any kind whatsoever that could be responsible for anything at all?
Is there a separate entity that started this investigation?
Has there ever been a separate self doing anything?
Is there any confusion at all or anything you would like to address?


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Re: Nothing left to want

Postby Danute » Tue Jan 12, 2016 7:15 am

Hi Kay,

Thank you for the info and the link to further investigation. All of it is so helpful!
Has it been clearly seen that there has never been a separate individual that could control or own life or anything?
Yes, I can see that "a separate individual that controls or owns life or anything" is just content of thought.
Is there any chooser or decider of any kind?
No, that is more content of thought also.
Is there a separate individual/entity of any kind whatsoever that could be responsible for anything at all?
No, any "responsibility" is all content of thought. Responsibility is not real.
Is there a separate entity that started this investigation?
No, there is no one to start anything. There is no separate entity.
Has there ever been a separate self doing anything?
No, "separate self" is content of thought.
Is there any confusion at all or anything you would like to address?
No, the difference between content of thought and AE seems quite clear in all the aspects we have discussed!

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Re: Nothing left to want

Postby forgetmenot » Tue Jan 12, 2016 7:19 am

Hey Danute,

Here are the final 6 questions. Answer them with some detail and take the time you need.

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?
2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.
3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.
4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?
5) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control. What makes things happen? How does it work? What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.
6) Anything to add?

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Re: Nothing left to want

Postby Danute » Tue Jan 12, 2016 7:23 am

Thank you Kay, I look forward to sitting with these questions! Yay!
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Re: Nothing left to want

Postby Danute » Wed Jan 13, 2016 7:10 am

Hello Kay,

I will need another day; things came up (related to work, not to the questions.)

Looking forward to savoring the write up!

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Re: Nothing left to want

Postby Danute » Thu Jan 14, 2016 6:53 am

Hello Kay,
1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?
No, there isn't. There is still a felt sense of "I" most of the time, but as soon as "I" look, or check, it disappears completely and I can see that "I" never was, in any real sense, shape, or form.
2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.
The illusion of the separate self is upheld by habit of thought. The idea of a separate self is mainly a way of interpreting what is seen, felt, heard (smelled, tasted) and "understood" (content of thoughts). It probably begins soon after birth, and gets reinforced through conditioning (positive feedback from the environment), meaning, by exposure to thoughts that are commonly expressed in the environment (read, heard, seen, etc.) and upheld by "consensus." (Consensus of the multitude of thoughts that arise, corroborating the illusions and keeping them in place, as though solid and real.)
3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.
It feels liberating to see this. Life now feels more like entertainment and less like work or effort to "make it." (make it safe, make it financially, make it in any way that serves to overcome the fear of life.) It doesn't change the existence of pain, or fear, but like entertainment, experiencing pain or fear aren't seen as unacceptable. They are as interesting as anything else that also "comes to awareness."
4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?
What made me look (or want to look) was a longstanding desperation to see the truth, a desire for relief from suffering and worry that was clearly not needed nor supported by any circumstantial evidence. There has never been need for worry, yet there was still constant worry. What made me see was not one thing, it was a result of the mounting evidence for any lack of personal authorship of -or control over the processes of life that were unfolding within and about.
5) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control. What makes things happen? How does it work? What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.
Decision, intention, free will, choice, and control are all content of thought. They aren't real; they aren't operative. What makes things happen is life. Life unfolds according to program, according to natural laws. "I" am not responsible for anything, because "I" doesn't exist.

In awareness, there might arise thoughts about responsibility + thoughts about what actions should be taken + sensations with thoughts about actions to take, about actions being taken and about actions having been taken + thoughts about how well or badly those actions served the purpose they were thought to serve. These thoughts are in no order. They are all happening now. There also arise thoughts about what the order of these occurrences have been. All such thoughts are not real nor true, but there are nonetheless thoughts about cause and effect, and thoughts about believing in cause and effect, sequences, and time. They are all just thoughts.

I don't know about responsibility. No one is responsible for anything, since there is no one to be responsible at all. Things are constantly "happening" in thought (content of thought) as a condition of life, not as a result of responsibility or of anything.

6) Anything to add?

The only thing that is real is awareness. Even sensations (seeing, hearing, touching, tasting, smelling and all sensing) are ultimately only content of thought.

It feels good Kay. It feels clear. No Snoopy happy dancing though. Something more like Snoopy waltzing... Very smooth! Thank you for sticking through this whole thing with me! What a privilege.

XOXOXOXOX
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Re: Nothing left to want

Postby forgetmenot » Thu Jan 14, 2016 7:04 am

Hi Danute,

I will be asking other guides to have a look at what you have written to make sure that I have pointed you in the right direction (so to speak) and that everything is clear. They may or may not have extra questions for you. This may take a couple of days but when I have gotten a response from them I will let you know.

Doing the Snoopy waltz with you......

....Love Kay
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Re: Nothing left to want

Postby Danute » Thu Jan 14, 2016 7:16 am

Fabulous Kay!

I look forward to all questions. Yay Snoopy!

This has been such a wonderful process, including even the banging of heads (at least mine!) against the wall at times ;) ... because of the pure clarity it led to.

Cheers to a master pointer! Challenging job!!

Love Danute

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Re: Nothing left to want

Postby forgetmenot » Thu Jan 14, 2016 10:28 pm

Hey Danute,

Here are two questions for you that a guide would like answered please :)

On question #5 can she provide an example from experience regarding decisions?

And question #6 she states "The only thing that is real is awareness." Is this awareness something apart from? Separate? What is the actual experience of 'awareness'?

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Re: Nothing left to want

Postby Danute » Fri Jan 15, 2016 5:24 am

Hello Kay,

Super! Thank you for the opportunity to clarify :)
On question #5 can she provide an example from experience regarding decisions?
Three months ago, I had to move my office to a new location. Not just my office, but a six office suite that I rent out to other practitioners. It's a business I run. As the moving date approached, I was not making any plans for how the move was going to happen. No organization, no plan of where the furniture would go, no idea what vehicles would be needed or who would be there to help me, or to carry huge heavy pieces. I procrastinated on all of the decisions that had to be made for the move to go smoothly and be complete over a three-day weekend.

I planned nothing and decided nothing. I did "nothing" except respond to opportunities, and the move went splendidly! Nothing could have gone better. It "should" have been a disaster, but it was perfect. I was sure that was an example of "getting out of the way." Today, I see it as one of many things that simply unfolded without any planning, or decisions, or any "me." It was a HUGE thing, and it happened with very little effort, seemingly "all by itself."

I was not entirely passive, but responded engagingly to whatever the situation seemed to call for. Life was unfolding perfectly. I have many, many such examples in my life.

And question #6 she states "The only thing that is real is awareness." Is this awareness something apart from? Separate? What is the actual experience of 'awareness'?
No, not apart from! - Awareness is the only thing, apart from nothing. There is nothing else but awareness. It is not separate, because there is nothing else at all.

There is no AE of awareness. AE and awareness are one thing. They are perfectly synonymous.

Awareness is "AE of thought, AE of sensations, etc. There is nothing else but Awareness or AE of anything and everything. Content of thought is really awareness awaring about thoughts. Sensations are really awareness awaring about sensations. Thoughts are really awareness awaring about thoughts. There is nothing else but awareness awaring everything... all now, and only now. There is no time but now. Awareness is awaring now and forever now about an infinite universe of content of thought.

That's the best I can put it right now ;) (... and I loved doing it!)

XOXOXO
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Re: Nothing left to want

Postby forgetmenot » Fri Jan 15, 2016 5:30 am

Thank you Danute :)

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Re: Nothing left to want

Postby forgetmenot » Sat Jan 16, 2016 1:13 am

Hi Danute,

Can you pleased provide a current example from your day to day experience regarding decisions. The one provided was from hindsight and not really showcasing from actual experience now.

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Re: Nothing left to want

Postby Danute » Sat Jan 16, 2016 4:58 am

Hi Kay,

A lot of worrying about decisions and choices has stopped. I no longer fret about "figuring out" what I should be doing with my life, with my days, with my time. Such questions or decisions used to torture me daily. I would wake up with the sense of dread over something I feared I had neglected to do or take care of. I also imagined that I would "wake up" one day and realize I had not fulfilled my destiny, developed my capacities, experienced love, figure out what my life was all about...

No longer. That worrying has stopped.

The only decisions I make now are the ones that present themselves to me as requiring immediate attention related to actual current circumstances. For instance if thoughts arise about bills and whether they should be paid today or tomorrow or next week, logistical circumstances point to a decision: tomorrow would be better since there is an opportunity to spend time with my child today, and next week I will be skiing out of town. So decisions are made by necessity of circumstances.

Other decisions are seen as unimportant: Shall I clean the apartment today or spend time painting, reading...
These things are not thought about at all, and no decisions are made. The apartment gets cleaned and paintings get painted, books get read, all in any order and for no particular reason.

The furnace went out at the office this week, and the interior of the office was 43 degrees, (outside it was 7!)
It took 3 days to finally get the issue resolved. There were many people who could have been upset with me (since I'm the owner) for having to cancel so many clients and lose so much income. For some reason, I didn't fret. Space heaters showed up and were offered to me... everyone helped collaboratively and thoughtfully. I was pretty amazed. Then, I received kudos for handling it so well. ???? Lol! I still have no idea how that happened!

Perhaps the biggest change is how I relate to my "to do" list. I have always had one and now continue to maintain it from habit, adding things that occur to me as needing to be done at some point. I no longer begin my day checking what needs to be done. Instead, I end my day reviewing what "surprisingly got done" from my list, without any thinking, choosing, or decision-making at all. There is no difference in how much gets done on time, whether I check the list, add to it, or neglect to check it, etc. Not all on the list gets done. Other things get done that were not on the list. "The list" versus "my actual life with its tasks" are not related by any causality. No decisions or choices are made, or if they are (in thought), they make no real difference to what ensues.

I think I have surrendered my life, without realizing it. Writing this answer has made me see how much more relaxation and peace there is, all around me! I really have no more wants (I noticed that on Friday when I was asked to do something unenjoyable. I just enjoyed what could be enjoyed... Best of all, there are no "mistakes" or regrets about anything. No decisions need to be made, there are no choices. I can just relax and watch the show!!!

That's it- that's all!
Do you have that expression in Australia? it's from Quebec. It's pronounced, Dats eet/dats awl.
It means: "That's my story and I'm sticking to it!" lol!!

Much love and glee!!!
Danute

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Re: Nothing left to want

Postby forgetmenot » Sat Jan 16, 2016 5:15 am

Hi Danute,
The only decisions I make now are the ones that present themselves to me as requiring immediate attention related to actual current circumstances. For instance if thoughts arise about bills and whether they should be paid today or tomorrow or next week, logistical circumstances point to a decision: tomorrow would be better since there is an opportunity to spend time with my child today, and next week I will be skiing out of town. So decisions are made by necessity of circumstances.
So I want you to go have a look.
What is it exactly that chooses to make decisions that present themselves as requiring immediate attention or by necessity of circumstances?
What is it exactly that is making decisions?


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