I understand what you're saying but let's look to the experience of walking.I was just there walking
When walking...movement is just happening - "I" is not present - life is moving through the body but it is not a conscious thing - it is just happening. Nothing needs to be engaged. Thoughts can come and go or stay - the senses can sense things or not.When walking, when movement is going on, what do you see happening?
What is moving the body? Is it an I?
How can you be unconscious of sensations? Isn't body experienced as a mix of sensations?life is moving through the body but it is not a conscious thing
Do you experience thoughts staying?Thoughts can come and go or stay - the senses can sense things or not.
No, you are not allowed to post in another guide's and client's thread. Please don't do this again, ok?Don't know if I'm allowed to jump into a conversation
Thank you for your honesty! Hmm, I wonder if you're expecting that crossing the gate will make all be well... what are your expectations around seeing no self?Ok 100% honesty - not all is well.
Do you need to believe that you are a separate entity to be responsible?my freedom isn't worth not being responsible to those I love.
No expectations - had them at the first - hoping to not get caught up in thoughts as much. But truly none - just an verbal expression of where "I" was at mentally.Hmm, I wonder if you're expecting that crossing the gate will make all be well... what are your expectations around seeing no self?
Apparently I have believed this but when I really look - NO. But in looking discovered another belief that "only the strong and determined survive - the weak and oppressed need help" . Trust issues with Life - again really looked and it does not matter whether i trust or not - Life continues to happen exactly as it should cause it didn't happen any other way.Do you need to believe that you are a separate entity to be responsible?
Like this - yes even without "I" there is the ability to response.Isn't responsibility = response ability?
Starting to see that "I" is not needed to respond to others' needs but gonna play devil's advocate(really want to cement this no self for responsibility).Can you have a look and give me an example or two about how a self is needed for responsibility to happen?
What I see here - and I can be wrong! - is the fear of not doing something, fear of consequences?Starting to see that "I" is not needed to respond to others' needs but gonna play devil's advocate(really want to cement this no self for responsibility).
I am responsible for feeding/watering the horses and dogs twice a day - if I don't do it they would starve.
I am responsible for bringing in money - thus I have to be responsible and get up in the morning at be to work at 5:30 am - I have to set an alarm to be on time and be productive at work so I have a job.
This made me smile and nod me head in agreement! That is exactly it - all of that quote is it for me.What I see here - and I can be wrong! - is the fear of not doing something, fear of consequences?
Or in other words, the need to be in control of life?
Ha! Moment to moment that is the key for me. Could not find that trouble maker entity anywhere - Looked and looked - no seeing that damn "I" but doing was still happening -seemed smoother than usual actually -moment to moment.While you're doing the activities you mention - feeding/watering the horses and dogs twice a day, getting up in the morning, etc... - you can look to how things happen moment to moment. If there is an I that is responsible for doing them, you will be able to find this Heather entity. Let me know if you do :)
Going to ponder the first and try not to do on the second. I will report my findings :)You can ponder about the concept 'responsible'. What is being responsible in your experience (instead of in your thoughts)? Does the experience match the concept? Is the concept 'responsible' pointing to something static, that is real or is it more a cultural story about how a you should function?
You can try NOT doing the things you think you are responsible for and see if you can NOT do them. Check if there is really choice/control over doing or not doing these things. Sit still in a chair and try not doing a single thing. If you are like me, you will find that routines are very difficult to escape :)
Oh, yes. It is amazing what thinking can do.Remember how simple I found experience to be to find the glimpse of no heather - it is amazing to me how one thought about a word was grasped and ran with.
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