please help me thru the gate

[GrahamB]

In other words, I will stay with you until your done.

[GrahamB]

Hi Cathy,

i will look more deeply into this "self-image". this term feels right. the first time i saw this i felt as tho i woke up in One Mind.

The 'I' does not wake up as 'it' does not exist. It is seen that the only 'place' that an I exists is in a thought about oneself (a self image) that occurs from time to time. A thought happens, an 'I' thought happens, and then another thought happens that says something like "I just had a thought". All with no actual personal self being there at all. See this?

then somehow i seem to go back to having a seeming mind of my own.

The 'I' thought happens frequently enough for 'it' (a thought) to arise and claim arising thought as it's own. The frequently arising 'I' thought, and the identifying with 'it' is an old habit learnt when you were a toddler. But this can be seen - and thus dis-identified from.

i must share with you that i found this website yesterday afternoon and i have barely been able to eat or sleep because i was so excited to read all of it, including links and websites of the guides.

Pleased you are excited about this.

i saw the absurdity of working so hard when there is no Me. it was fun to laugh uncontrollably for so long.

Good! Seeing is beginning to happen!

Who/what is working hard when there is no me? Is it not that 'working hard just happens, just as making breakfast happens, washing dishes happens, thinking happens, feeling happens - and no sign of an 'I' anywhere in all this, other than a thought of 'me' which occurs from time to time in the thought/feeling stream? Look carefully and report what is seen!

All for the moment,
Graham

[cathy]

good morning graham,
yes, i see it must be only a thought constructed being. i've just been trying so hard to feel less pain.
thank you for being here. who has been trying? fear.

[cathy]

i've read so much saying that there is an I that is learning and evolving, but that is only possible with self reflection. if this self reflection is not what i am, then i am just being with no mind? thoughts, writing are happening on their own? one intelligence, not mine?

[cathy]

is there an I watching? but it is not me, it is ME. oh no, i'm making a bigger me. no me?
nothing to do but, i have no idea.

[cathy]

where do thoughts, feelings come from?

[cathy]

graham, are you there? i've been checking all day, every 15 minutes. i'm feeling anxious. maybe it would help if i knew when you would be there.
thanks,
Cathy

[GrahamB]

Yes I am still here. I often only check in here once or perhaps twice per day, to give time for full consideration to what is written. This website is NOT intended for chat sessions, but deep reflection and response after deep looking.

I will write more on what you have said later.

[GrahamB]

Hi Cathy.

who has been trying? fear.

And the fear is the result of what 'you' have been thinking?

i've read so much saying that there is an I that is learning and evolving, but that is only possible with self reflection.

We are not talking about what you have read here; we are talking about your own direct experience.

if this self reflection is not what i am, then i am just being with no mind?

What do you mean by self reflection? Thinking about yourself? Where is this self? Only in thought, in imagination?

I am essentially not here to tell you what you are experiencing or what you are, but to guide you by asking questions for you to answer as honestly as possible from your own experience. When you ask questions, please attempt your own reply to them. You are doing the work here, I am assisting in this, ok?

thoughts, writing are happening on their own?

Yes. Do 'you' observe this?

is there an I watching? but it is not me, it is ME. oh no, i'm making a bigger me. no me?
nothing to do but, i have no idea.

Exactly! When you look for who is watching, you either do not know or come up with an idea, a thought construct, some imagination. Essentially 'you' have no idea who/what you are, as all ideas of who/what you are are imaginary, aren't they?

where do thoughts, feelings come from?

To know this is not helpful to what you are aiming to achieve here.

When a self thought arises such as "he shouldn't have done that!" feelings of perhaps annoyance are associated with such a thought and arise after the thought. If further thought arises, such as "what he is doing will hurt me" a subsequent feeling of anger may arise. Thus feeling can be built into something quite nasty; but no one is experiencing this; it is all happening in thought only. Do 'you' now see this?


It would help this investigation if you could quote sentences I write and then write your response below, much the same as I am doing. This enables clear focus on what is being addressed or asked. Can you do this please?

In case you do not know how to use the quote function here is a post on it :
http://liberationunleashed.com/nation/v ... ote#p12593

With best wishes,
Graham

[cathy]

[quote][Exactly! When you look for who is watching, you either do not know or come up with an idea, a thought construct, some imagination. Essentially 'you' have no idea who/what you are, as all ideas of who/what you are are imaginary, aren't they?

/quote]
yes, all ideas can be seen as ideas only, not me, not mine.

[cathy]

It would help this investigation if you could quote sentences I write and then write your response below, much the same as I am doing. This enables clear focus on what is being addressed or asked. Can you do this please

i am trying very hard numerous times to do the quote function as asked and i am not doing so well.

[cathy]

graham,
please see i have been on this website since Friday and after initial laughter for hours, seeing there is no self, feelings of fear, feeling relief, fear again.
i see there is no need to identify as me but if i go into the past or future i feel freaked out. but, that again is imaginary, so of course there is no me to fit into an imagination.
i am deeply contemplating everything everything you wrote and seeing it all happen without me.
the quote thing is not working for me. can you be with me in the now anytime today??
i am in mountain time.
thank you,
cAthy

[GrahamB]

Hi Cathy, I am in New Zealand and it is early morning here. I can be here now for a while on and off if that is ok with you.

[cathy]

oh thank you.
seeing is happening and just be here please.

[cathy]

there is crying, laughing, feel like i may be going crazy if there is a me left.