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[ElPortal]

Sure Paul,

What route would you like to look down? (eg Where is there still seeking? What still doesn't seem as it should be?)

Cheers

Mark

[lucid365]

There's no route to look down,there's no seeking,everything seems fine

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[ElPortal]

Hi Paul

A couple of posts back you wrote something which was lovely (and I almost missed it as it was followed by another short post):-

Well I suppose it's all my expectations, but I've accepted that the expecting will not be met and I'm ready to look from direct experience and drop the expectations,I guess even if the notions and concepts are dropped the emotions can still remain and linger

Once all expectations go there is nothing left but the 'magic' or aliveness of this moment (even if sometimes that appears as say drabness or pain). This might be called emptiness or nothingness, but ANYTHING and EVERYTHING can happen. Life just does whatever it will, with no one steering it. Does this feel true? How do you feel about this now?

I would like you to go through this checklist. As always, don't answer off the top of the head, but in direct experience:-

Have you been able to find, a ‘self’ that is the ‘experiencer’?

Or a self that is the doer, or can control what happens?

Or a self that ‘makes’ decisions?

Or a self who ‘does the thinking’?

Is the "body" just another thought label for sensations (namely tactile & kinesthetic)?

Are the five body senses made to arise or experienced by this ‘self’?

Is there a self ‘in here’ which is separate from the world and others ‘out there’?

Is there doubt or unclarity that in all these cases the ‘self’ is nothing other than a mental fabrication?

Are there any doubts about seeing through the illusion of separate self?


If the answer is 'yes' to any of these questions, please give more details.

Cheers

Mark

[lucid365]

1.Was looking and couldn't find a real self,just a thought and concept process that has invented a story of paul, (t)there is no self that is experiencing

2.could not find a self that is a doer,no real decisions are being made,if something has to be done it is based on outside influences,and no decision is made by a doer independently or be controled
3.no self that makes decisions,life will make it that something needs to be done and based on past conditioning an action will be chosen based on what life is conditioning you to pick
4.the thinking process is not a self just a biological thought process that helps to navigate
and organise in this world
5.yes the body is just a thought label for sensations,it's just a body not a permanent self
6.its the body and brain that is experiencing the 5 senses not a self
7.there is no self that is here or outside
8.there is no doubt regarding the false self as a mental fabrication
9.there is no doubts about seeing through the illusion of a seperate self

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[ElPortal]

Hi Paul

That's great. There's just a little bit of potential contradiction in 5. and 6.:-

5.yes the body is just a thought label for sensations,it's just a body not a permanent self
6.its the body and brain that is experiencing the 5 senses not a self

In 6. can that body and brain be found in direct experience? Are they any more than labels for sensings?

Then let's have another look at the summary questions. Again please answer from FIRST-HAND NOW experience, not from theory, not in the second person, not in deduction etc. We'll start with the first two:-

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?
 
2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now. 
 
Cheers

Mark

[lucid365]

6.Yes that's correct I meant the body and brain are used to rely sensations so sensations can be experienced with the senses but from first hand experience they can't be found they are just labels (t)

1,no there never was when looking past all the illusions
2.the illusion is the falsely joining together of the mind (thought process)bringing information together,the body,likes,dislikes, their is conditioning of what is wanted,what is not wanted to benefit the body,if we pick what we want to eat or what action to take to achieve a task we are thinking that we have control to make decisions but these options we make are conditioned by past experience of what stories have taken place before.





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[ElPortal]

Ok Paul,

Now, just spontaneously and true to your honest, first-hand experience:

3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.
 
4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look? 

Cheers

Mark

[lucid365]

3.It feels like there is a flow of life everywhere and there's no me,I,or self, whereas before there seemed to be a seperate self made up of thoughts and ideas of a self made up from concepts and assumptions
4.when I finally got tired of protecting the false idea of a self it made me look for truth and see what is real,when I released and gave up the expectations

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[ElPortal]

Ok thanks for those, Paul.

Now the last two questions (please take time to answer all parts of Q5 - and as ever from direct, first-hand experience):-

5) Please describe, as best you can, how deciding, intending, choosing and controlling events in Life happens. Does Paul the individual make anything happen? Don't forget to give some practical examples of choosing from everyday-life experience (eg what to eat, something like that, or something which came up today). What, if anything, is Paul responsible for? (please don't forget to answer this last part).

6) Any comment you would like to add?

Cheers

Mark

[lucid365]

5.Deciding,intending,choosing and controlling are all ideas that the invented false self personality is made up of,there all based on thought,and conditioned thought,if the body is hungry a thought of food comes into the mind,then more thoughts come into the mind of a pleasure it would be to eat some food,a thought of if food is not taken the body will die (survival)(t) .Deciding-what food is more tastey,sausages or eggs,from past experience sausages are noted as being more tastey,maybe a factor would be that my mother used to cook sausages more than eggs. Intending-looked in the fridge but there was no sausages so eggs were chosen based on availability,the intention is was to cook sausages based on favourite food but eggs were enevitably going to be the choice as that's all that was there,so there is no paul to choose,paul can not control or is responsible for anything.
6. No comment to make

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[ElPortal]

Hi Paul

Thanks for all those responses. I will now have some other guides have a read of our dialogue. Sit tight: I'll let you know whether there are any queries, once they've had chance to have a look.

Cheers

Mark

[lucid365]

Thanks mark

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[ElPortal]

Hi Paul

That was quick: no questions from other guides. I'll send you a private message. Please check and confirm when you receive it.

Cheers

Mark

[lucid365]

Ok mark I got that private message and sent you on a private message,thanks

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