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Re: Hi Smudge

Postby cotton » Fri Jan 30, 2015 5:23 pm

The important thing is, is self seen to be just an idea. So believing in Santa as a child does not mean Santa was real when you were a child does it. It doesn't mean if you forget for a moment he is not real he will become real again does it?
And...dukkha tends to be a good motivator to re check (from here at least)
yes, have seen that dukkha and habit in communication are good indicators, words just pop out of my mouth and I don't even believe them but too late they are out….extroverts much have more problem in this area? Mouth needs to catch up with seeing through illusion.
Please answer these clarifying questions fully, take your time.
would like to look at these over weekend and get back to you Sunday if thats Ok?

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Re: Hi Smudge

Postby smudge » Fri Jan 30, 2015 5:40 pm

Absolutely fine. Happy looking. Xxx


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Re: Hi Smudge

Postby smudge » Sun Feb 01, 2015 10:48 pm

Tick tock!!


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Re: Hi Smudge

Postby cotton » Sun Feb 01, 2015 10:56 pm

ah dear smudge, I have not forgotten, have just got back from chapter and working all day, but I have been simmering over the weekend, all that has unfolded in the last weeks and want to sit down tomorrow and write something, its just a bit too late now. Looking forward to being in communication again I have missed 'the smudging'.

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Re: Hi Smudge

Postby cotton » Mon Feb 02, 2015 10:41 am

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?
have not found a separate entity of self, it only takes shape in thought and emotion and this has always been like this

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you seeit now.
me self and I are a language to describe experience, not the experience itself. the illusion starts when there is believing in the thoughts and emotions as something really existing, rather than a pointing to something. Last night in study, as we were discussing something, there was just the words we were using to play around with what is true and the words are not the truth, whatever is said is still only pointing to something. Believing the words, thinking I have understood something means that I have not. Even now thinking that I might have seen through the illusion of self is also an illusion. Its endless and very hard to talk about.
3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.
feel some tingling of excitement, some thoughts around not holding onto to any of it. Freedom, yes freedom, that as long as remembering happens, then there IS opportunity to liberate, in EACH moment what is illusion, and to not cause more suffering in the world, by not holding onto a separate cotton. Before I started this dialogue I was not aware of how huge, thinking (or emotions) are in the creation of 'my ' experience.
4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?
that non separation and uniqueness are not two, not in opposition. that separation and difference are not two, that lines of separation are made in thinking and emotions.
that you kept asking for DE and that you were persistent with that…and on each dialogue there was no resting in anything….no right answers….thank you
5) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control. What makes things happen? How
does it work? What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.
am discovering more about this and its early days. Decisions arise and they just seem to happen. Intentions are thoughts about future which may or may not happen, choices just happen and there is not control with any of these.

Deciding to move my arm just happens, sometimes a thought says move your arm, and then it either moves or it does not. When thinking about ringing a friend, an intention, it may happen or may not.

Am noticing in experience there is thinking that there are skilful things to do and not skilful things to do and if thinking is seen as thinking (rather than something right or true which fixes it) the energy moves into the body, then seeing the word body as also thinking another release happens and the energy is just as it is,

and then what happens, happens
6) Anything to add?
huge gratitude to you for being with me on this.

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Re: Hi Smudge

Postby smudge » Mon Feb 02, 2015 4:19 pm

Cool, keep going:
Even now thinking that I might have seen through the illusion of self is also an illusion. Its endless and very hard to talk about.
:-)
to not cause more suffering in the world, by not holding onto a separate cotton
Story or DE?
as long as remembering happens
What if it doesn't, is there then a self?
if thinking is seen as thinking.... then what happens, happens
If thinking isn't seen as thinking, then what, what happens doesn't happen??

that non separation and uniqueness are not two, not in opposition. that separation and difference are not two, that lines of separation are made in thinking and emotions.
Welcome to the word of paradox.
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Re: Hi Smudge

Postby cotton » Mon Feb 02, 2015 11:29 pm

to not cause more suffering in the world, by not holding onto a separate cotton

Story or DE?
yes story not DE
as long as remembering happens

What if it doesn't, is there then a self?
no there is not suddenly a self, remembering to look is what is sometimes there and sometimes not
if thinking is seen as thinking.... then what happens, happens

If thinking isn't seen as thinking, then what, what happens doesn't happen??

ok right now, thinking just happening, ideas of someone pops into my head, those thoughts are not the person, but if thinking is not seen as thinking, then 'I' start to think that the thoughts of that person are the person. If I continue to be 'lost ' in thought and story then something different is happening in experience. recognising that everything is pointing to something then there is a relaxing into what is happening.

am tired and this may or may not make sense…..am bit confused today after feeling more clarity yesterday.

love cotton

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Re: Hi Smudge

Postby smudge » Tue Feb 03, 2015 8:50 am

no there is not suddenly a self, remembering to look is what is sometimes there and sometimes not
Great, just checking xx
If I continue to be 'lost ' in thought and story then something different is happening
So there is a story of a being that can sometimes get lost and sometimes not.
& ....
those thoughts are not the person,
Yes, mined me of this story...

“William James, father of American psychology, tells of meeting an old lady who told him the Earth rested on the back of a huge turtle. "But, my dear lady", Professor James asked, as politely as possible, "what holds up the turtle?" "Ah", she said, "that's easy. He is standing on the back of another turtle." "Oh, I see", said Professor James, still being polite. "But would you be so good as to tell me what holds up the second turtle?" "It's no use, Professor", said the old lady, realizing he was trying to lead her into a logical trap. "It's turtles-turtles-turtles, all the way!”

So I am going to ask if the other guides have any questions...nice work x
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Re: Hi Smudge

Postby cotton » Tue Feb 03, 2015 9:58 am

ok thanks
want to add, I am so so grateful to you for helping this happen, reading Dharma is from a different perspective, terms like naked awareness, direct way, seeing the emptiness of mind, is all very exciting, its as if I have been given a code or the key to get out of the closet of self. There is no big realisation moment, this has been simmering for awhile now. Makes ethics even more immediately valuable. Am finding that words are just coming out, a script thats not in accord with another sense of what is true, they are like habits falling from the tongue…. want to put tape over mouth!! embarrassing although that makes me laugh as there is no one to be proud…..endless reflected thoughts, Akshobyas wisdom, must be all that blue paint too

this is a beginning….a continuation…..already gone
much love cotton

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Re: Hi Smudge

Postby smudge » Tue Feb 03, 2015 2:14 pm

No questions just lots of rejoicings!

So, dearest Finest Quality Egyptian Cotton..It's been a pleasure and a privilege. Beautiful looking with you and just to say good bye for now in this context.
Lots of love Smudge. Xxx


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Re: Hi Smudge

Postby cotton » Tue Feb 03, 2015 3:34 pm

thankyou smudge, will be in contact in other contexts, hugs and thankyous galore
as you say, finest egyptian cotton, thread bare and without seams
xxx


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