If you are ready, come in..

[Ilona]

There is no person. Ha. Only story about person.
There is body with brain and neurons. There is reaction to stimulus going on and all kinds of chemical processes in the body. So when eyes see a cute girl, it's a body reaction. Not person.
Can that be seen?

What is experiencer?
Is is something different from experience itself and experiencing? Can there be a separate experiencer to which experience is happening to?

Listen to a distant sound- is there experiencer of sound? Where?

[MerlinC]

mind makes a story that takes credit for things that just happen in life like when hearing a sound (oh I must have heard it!!) but thers just the voice that claims ownership of hearing so no their isnt an experiencer just storys of a self that is sepret from experience. I guess us people who are indentified with indentification are really in a deep sleep.

[Ilona]

The main identification is with commentary crew.
There is story going on and there is a narrator of story, plus a whole bunch of commentators, that judge the story non stop. It's going on automatic, but assumed for some ownership. There is this I that thinks those thoughts and makes decisions.
There is no I.
The commentary is not I. it's a mental noise that checks if everything is good enough.
The story is not I, but about I.

What do you see here?
If you would be the commentator wouldn't you be able to stop the commentary at will? As if you'd owned that voice. Can you?

[MerlinC]

no I cannot control the voice but the voice its self lead me to this very site that doesn't promote the use of the voice because I is an illusion so what is it that wants the end of suffering and I when there is no I? its an oxymoron because ego wants nothing to do with death of itself so takes steps towards inflating its self not to find the truth of its nonexsistance.

[Ilona]

So can it be seen, that everything is just happening, no matter what thoughts are about you being in control?
Is there any function for I / me?
Is there a real I /me?

[MerlinC]

everthing is subject to the happening so all control would be an illusion. and in saying that, I well be thrown around by life and life becomes some kind of emotional rollercoster that you cant get off of. so I is useless because at its core if it had one. it doesnt serve any real purpose because its a story of a fictional character of a victom of life.

[Ilona]

Great, looks that you are seeing it.
Have you noticed any significant shift in everyday life?

[MerlinC]

well no not really the voice is still thare and I still get angry & scared but Im seeing that I it self doesnt egsist only emosional attachments to ideas and worrys. but I feel like Im getting through what works and what doesn't. my relasionship to thoughts that is.

[Ilona]

Oh good. Keep digging. How are feelings and thoughts connected? What is it that glues them together?

[MerlinC]

emotions are the bodys reaction to the minds thoughts.

[Ilona]

Write more, look into it on real life, how is it working, just observe the connection as stron emotion appears, watch how thoughts react.

Do an investigation here.
Then see how this mechanism influences story.

[MerlinC]

well when I think some emotions may arive out of thought because the thought may be emotionly charged like a good or bad memory. then I have the decision (some times) of dwelling on it or letting the thought go. memorys hold everything from good times to not so good times and I can get attached to them. the storys are good and bad labels I put on my past. I judge present stuff based on past labels.

[Ilona]

Ok, memory is not what holds it all glued together, but attachment to that memory.
Is there anything that owns memories?
How does that work?

[MerlinC]

Nothing can claim ownership of memorys. Memorys are thare for survival and to prevent from being hurt with the help of lessons learned & advice. How is it that humans are not sepret from the whole of creation but man can turn away the very thing he is but their has been only a handfull of people that have reached there birth right and at the same time millions failed in the search of enlightenment. couldent we remember who we are consedering unlimited inteligence is the very fiber off us? even if lost in the smoke of ego by are inharented intuition wouldent it guide us out off it or prevent ourselfs getting lost in ego in the first place? why does man have memory?

[MerlinC]

better yet why does man have thought?