Who is writing this thing?

[Alexw]

Do this: go out and find a big tree - look at it for at least 30min and - really look - then write down what you see.


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[Nameless1995]

A tree was seen.

[Nameless1995]

Experiencer = experiencing = experience != Objects experienced.
Objects experienced = exists independent of experience = may exist, may not = if exist the separate from experience = experiencer.
What exist beyond perception = unknowable = meaningless to ponder.
Beyond perception = beyond perciever = beyond knower = beyond knowledge.

I - thoughts - feelings - imaginations - 5 senses = no consciousness = void\emptiness\nothingness\potential field of consciousness but still nothing in a sense= my true nature.

Identification with names and forms = suffering.

Identification with automatic process = no significance.

Pre-reflective consciousness = absense of sense of self = mind not processing experience through the illusionary self
= pure consciousness = can be found in flow states of mind.

Absence of sense of self = absence of barrier between experience of experiencer and experience of experience =
fusion of the two experiences = dissolution of experiencer into experience.

[Alexw]

I - thoughts - feelings - imaginations - 5 senses = no consciousness = void\emptiness\nothingness\potential field of consciousness but still nothing in a sense= my true nature

If I understand this correctly then you are saying that your true nature is the absence of experience, right?
Why would this be so (except from the logical deduction that you compiled)? Can you experience your "true nature" if it is equal to nothing/void? Could your true nature not be "both" the complete absence of experience AND the complete presence of experience? Can one thing be without the other?

Absence of sense of self = absence of barrier between experience of experiencer and experience of experience = fusion of the two experiences = dissolution of experiencer into experience.

Yes, the experiencer vanishes and becomes the experience. But: Can there be experience without awareness of it?
If not, then what is aware?

[Nameless1995]

I - thoughts - feelings - imaginations - 5 senses = no consciousness = void\emptiness\nothingness\potential field of consciousness but still nothing in a sense= my true nature

If I understand this correctly then you are saying that your true nature is the absence of experience, right?
Why would this be so (except from the logical deduction that you compiled)? Can you experience your "true nature" if it is equal to nothing/void? Could your true nature not be "both" the complete absence of experience AND the complete presence of experience? Can one thing be without the other?

Absence of sense of self = absence of barrier between experience of experiencer and experience of experience = fusion of the two experiences = dissolution of experiencer into experience.

Yes, the experiencer vanishes and becomes the experience. But: Can there be experience without awareness of it?
If not, then what is aware?

Void = potential field of awareness = primary pure buddha mind awareness that always is as long as there is life = state of the dreamless slumber.

I am the computer screen. Experience is the things that happen on the computer screen. But sometimes the experience also dissolves, the screen goes blank, but the screen still remains.

I am the black board upon which all experience is drawn, but the experience is not separate from me,

the activities within the screen is a part of it, the drawing within the black board becomes a part of the board.

The experience is in flux. The potential field, the pool of consciousness in which experience take place is constant.

No one can be aware of experience, because experience itself arise when information mixes with the awareness.

Experience itself is consciousness.

[Nameless1995]

Do this: go out and find a big tree - look at it for at least 30min and - really look - then write down what you see.


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Do this: go out and find a big tree - look at it for at least 30min and - really look - then write down what you see.


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What am I supposed to see in a tree?
The last no-self experience I remember, I think it was triggered after actually looking at the tree with full open mind.
The mind filters out life, keeps us in a constant ignore state. But I once bypassed the filter and experienced full life,
each and every air and warmth and all the stuff, it was over-bliss, and I got too used to it. Now I don't see beauty and ugliness anymore. Those concepts are out of me. Sometimes still the textures, the life intrigues me but not as much.
Thoughts, perceptions, reactions, behaviors, all are just ripples on the surface of the ocean of consciousness.
It is just on the surface. The deeper part is eternally still.

[Nameless1995]

There is neither a separate self nor a not-separate self,
separate, not-separate reality does not abide by such concepts, yet the concepts are a part of the same reality.
Things are just 'are'.
separate, united? who? what?
All these concepts comes from interpretation. Interpretation is done by the mind, the greatest deceiver which always up to creating stories, making conjectures.
It is impossible to describe without comparing and separating. Our understanding is circular.
Silence is the expression of absolute truth in the purest form.

[Nameless1995]

There was neither experience nor experiencer, nor no-self nor self,
what was their was beyond description, beyond anything.
I saw in the mirror, I was thinking but it was not me, I was the silent observer who was the whole world that was percieved, But that is interpretation after experience.
The experience was beyond words, it can never be descirbed, that vast voidness and allness.

[Alexw]

Void = potential field of awareness = primary pure buddha mind awareness that always is as long as there is life = state of the dreamless slumber

Can you experience any of that? How do you know any of that exists? Is it only a logical deduction (concept)?

I am the computer screen. Experience is the things that happen on the computer screen. But sometimes the experience also dissolves, the screen goes blank, but the screen still remains.

Are you sure there is a screen at all? There is this experience, but does it happen on a screen (of awareness)?

No one can be aware of experience...

But you are aware of experience. You are aware of this sentence, right? What is it that knows this sentence?

Thoughts, perceptions, reactions, behaviors, all are just ripples on the surface of the ocean of consciousness.It is just on the surface. The deeper part is eternally still.

Sounds nice - but how do you know? Have you experienced that this is so?

There is neither a separate self nor a not-separate self, separate, not-separate reality does not abide by such concepts, yet the concepts are a part of the same reality.
Things are just 'are'.
separate, united? who? what?

Agree. All concepts

Silence is the expression of absolute truth in the purest form.

Nice quote even it is also just a concept. Why could not noise as well be the expression of absolute truth in the purest form. Is there anything like "absolute truth"? And whats pure? Is there anything that is not pure?

The experience was beyond words, it can never be descirbed, that vast voidness and allness.

And what is different to this current experience? Is this current experience not exactly "that vast voidness and allness" - isn't only thought saying that you are separate from it and thus the filter of mind/thought veils this "voidness and allies"?

[Nameless1995]

Void = potential field of awareness = primary pure buddha mind awareness that always is as long as there is life = state of the dreamless slumber

Can you experience any of that? How do you know any of that exists? Is it only a logical deduction (concept)?

Basically its just awareness.
If you close your eyes, awareness still remains.
If close your ears, awareness of other substances still remain.
Now if you close everything, even thoughts, memory processing, information interconnection, complete shutdown,
now awareness has nothing to be aware of. This is what is experienced in dreamless slumber. Though it is never directly experienced as how can you experience non-experience? Dream slumber can just be lapse of memory though.
Now if after eliminating something nothing remains, and then a thought emerges, then there will just be thought, no experience of thought. But after waking up there can be again experience of thought and all that.
Therefore awareness must have always been there even in dreamless sleep, just there was no proper information to be aware of.
More or less it is kinda conceptual, it is nothing too important to bother about, as it cannot be perfectly known, as
all that can be experienced is experience.

I am the computer screen. Experience is the things that happen on the computer screen. But sometimes the experience also dissolves, the screen goes blank, but the screen still remains.

Are you sure there is a screen at all? There is this experience, but does it happen on a screen (of awareness)?

Experience does not happen on awareness.
Being aware of something = experience. Experience itself is awareness. Experience itself is the screen.

Experience of this line = awareness of this line.

No one can be aware of experience...

But you are aware of experience. You are aware of this sentence, right? What is it that knows this sentence?

Experience = awareness.
There is just an experience of a sentence.

Thoughts, perceptions, reactions, behaviors, all are just ripples on the surface of the ocean of consciousness.It is just on the surface. The deeper part is eternally still.

Sounds nice - but how do you know? Have you experienced that this is so?

Experiencing 24/7.
May be its not same for everybody thought, who knows?

Silence is the expression of absolute truth in the purest form.

Nice quote even it is also just a concept. Why could not noise as well be the expression of absolute truth in the purest form. Is there anything like "absolute truth"? And whats pure? Is there anything that is not pure?

Thats the trouble with language. What is pure? What is true? What makes true. true? what is real? whatever.
That is why *silence*

The experience was beyond words, it can never be descirbed, that vast voidness and allness.

And what is different to this current experience? Is this current experience not exactly "that vast voidness and allness" - isn't only thought saying that you are separate from it and thus the filter of mind/thought veils this "voidness and allies"?

May be it is now filtering may be it was then distorting, may be it is not filtering, may be I am too used to it.

[Nameless1995]

Thoughts, perceptions, reactions, behaviors, all are just ripples on the surface of the ocean of consciousness.It is just on the surface. The deeper part is eternally still.

Sounds nice - but how do you know? Have you experienced that this is so?

It is not the same for everybody. It is true for me, because of my lack of attachment and identification that is why their intensity is filtered.
But in past those stuff could take over my entire consciousness.
So it is a shift in experience, going away from the surface of thoughts and feelings.
It is swimming deeper inside away from the surface.
Detachment.
Cutting off of misidentifications with things as 'I' and 'mine'.

[Nameless1995]

Well forget everything, all just falderal materials.

basically it all boils down to this: Experience and Experiencer are inseparable.

Now whether the objects under experience can exist independent of experience, whether what is under experience also lies outside it or not who knows? All one can have is subjective experience which one itself is.

So: Experience and Experiencer are inseparable. This is it? Anything else?

[Alexw]

Experience does not happen on awareness.
Being aware of something = experience. Experience itself is awareness. Experience itself is the screen.
Experience of this line = awareness of this line.

Yes, true - no separation between the experience and being aware of it.
Doesn't this mean that experience is aware of itself? That YOU are "self aware experience"?

[Nameless1995]

Being aware = experiencing.
Experience = experiencing.
Self aware experience = self experiencing experience = self experiencing experiencing...????
Such complexes are not needed.
There is simply experience\awareness.

[Nameless1995]

Experience of experience = meta-experience = simply experience nothing more, just experience of the ability to experience nothing more.