There's also a Fetter-Free FB group I can invite you to if you are interested. Let me know and I can invite you, I'll send you a link via PM here on the forum.

Yes, interested in the Fetter FB group. Thank you so much!

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?
There is no separate entity “self” at all and there never was.

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience ...

Would you like to answer the final LU questions to wrap up our conversation?

Yes I can answer the questions. Thank you for all your guidance!

What are you responsible for?

Nothing

What are decisions?

Decisions are just thoughts. Experience arises on its own independent of thoughts about making a decision.

Can you say with 100% certainty that there is no inherent self?

Yes, there is no concrete inherent self!

Can it be known how tall the body is? Does the body have a weight or volume? In direct experience does the body have a shape or a form?
Without thoughts or mental images extracted from memory, it can’t be known how tall the body is and the body doesn’t have a shape or form. There is a mental image ...

With the body moving on its own, how many thoughts are truly needed to live life?
Thoughts are not truly needed to live life. Thoughts just reference something about life, but life happens on its own independent of thoughts.

Is there a self in control of this process of 'awakening'?
No

Did ...

How is the movement controlled?

The movement arises by itself and it is not controlled

- Does a thought control it?
A thought doesn’t control it.

- Can a ‘controller’ of any description be located?
No

- How is the decision made to turn the hand over? Track any decision point when a ...

Now keep coming back to the feeling of self behind the eyes/in the head. Where is the self?
There is nothing tangible or concrete behind the eyes in direct experience and there is no self.

Repeatedly look. The conditioning may bring it up and say 'It's here', but keep looking in direct ...

- The sensations behind the eyes, is that I/self?
No, the sensation arises but there isn’t a “self” or an “I” that is separate from the sensation or knowing of the sensation. And when investigating this sensation even more deeply, there is no building block substance making up the sensation or ...

It cannot be just thoughts, because then it wouldn't have any reference to something else, making the illusion feel real.
The illusion of self is created when two or more of these building blocks are intertwined.


Yes there are some sensations too like I mentioned previously. The sense of self is ...

Can you write down and describe which building blocks are required to create the illusion of self in the head/behind eyes?

When I break down the sense of self behind the eyes into its building blocks, it appears that it is made of thoughts.

Does the sense of self have a location?

At times the sense of self does not have a specific location and boundary but at other times it feels like it is located in the head behind the eyes.

Does the sense of self have a shape or a size?
It doesn’t have a shape or size or boundary

Does the ...

In fetter 4-5, you're not looking for a self that needs to react, but for a mechanism that makes the reaction happen. You sit with the primary sensations, and you watch if there is a connection to a reaction.

All that said, it's probably best to 100% focus on fetter 1 for our inquiry here.

Ok ...

Can you tell me about how you've been working with the fetter model so far? Have you stuck to fetters 1-3 or have you explored others?

I have been working with the fetter model by reading about them/watching videos and subsequently applying exercises and questioning assumptions throughout the day ...

What about the content of thoughts, what do they describe?

The contents of thought describe labels and an idea of an “apple” but don’t actually describe the direct experience of what’s actually there.

Is there really an ‘apple’ here, or only color and a thought about ‘apple’?
Theirs is only ...