It's more that they represent different persons, or different versions of me.
Not the literal thought but that what's behind the thought. What is that? Is there something?


It's about protecting me, or the 'image of an I'. Protectors and projectors. Protectors because they're keeping my ...

When thoughts are observed... is there also an observer to observe, separated from observation?

No, there is observation but not an observer.

Do you mean like "they have their own will"?
No, not really. They're not trying to accomplish anything according to some sort of agenda or anything ...

Okay, I was lost in thinking again (and again and again...)
That's why I couldn't give a good reply.

If I just look this is what I see:
Thoughts are just there. On their own. Observable. There's no I producing them. They seem to be alive though. Almost like they have a personality.

If there's no conscious awareness of thoughts, how can you know that the thoughts are there?

All of a sudden I become aware that I was lost in thinking. I'm not absolutely certain that thoughts were there before I realized that ofcourse.


What is "awareness" anyway? Is it any different from ...

Where do the thoughts of that inner dialogue come from?
Where are they going?

Well, spatially, the seem to be coming from under, sort of floating up. Apart from the spatial-component, they really seem to be appearing and if they're produced, I'm not aware of being the producer.

Can ‘you’ stop ...

Hi I'm sorry it's taking so long. The last few days have been really busy and I need some rest in my head to give a proper answer to your questions.

Hopefully I will have a reaction soon, please be patient.

Do you do the labelling or does that happen automatically?

There seems to be a tiny amount of space between seeing, biologically, and seeing/recognizing. So the labelling seems to be a little bit lagging behind.


What about further thoughts that pop up while gazing at an object? Do you ...

Are you willing to put aside all assumptions/expectations about awakening and/or the nature of reality?

I feel that this letting go will be scary... but yes, I am willing to do that!


So if you look at an object, what do you really see and what is mentally attached? Try it. Take an orange or ...

Hi Daniël,

Of course, no hurry. Important thing is to get well soon!

Kind regards

All these expectations - whether positive or negative - are merely assumptions, aren't they?

That makes sense! Although this is a new realisation for me. I've been telling myself that reality as I experience it is an illusion, but it hadn't really occured to me that true reality as I pictured is ...

Are these perceptions / feelings perhaps based on certain ideas or expectations you have about the whole thing?

Come to think of it, yes, I guess they are.

How will this reality change?
Not so much reality but my perception of it. I'm afraid to find out it's not as real as I believed it to be ...

Hallo Peter,

Dank je wel voor je reactie. Ondertussen had iemand ook al op mijn eerste post (in de engelstalige groep) gereageerd. Op dit moment is het dus niet meer nodig.

Groeten,
Rhino.

Are there any (perhaps not quite conscious) thoughts i.e. assumptions, fears, concerns that could trigger this?


I find this question harder to answer. However I feel the sadness is because of the loneliness and everything I invested in this reality.
The panic seems to be connected to ...

Take your time and look what you find.

Working on this, I'll get back to it soon

Have a deeper look at fear. Read the following statements and notice what they trigger in you. Thoughts, emotions, bodily sensations... just write down whatever comes up.

There is no I, me or mine.
You don't exist. You never did.
"I" is nothing but a thought that belongs to no one.
Experience ...