No! not efforts, expression and attention. Thanks again.

Thank you so much, Vivien, for sticking with it so long. This has been a much appreciated interlude.
I appreciate your efforts vey much.

Hi Vivien,

What is it that is letting go a thought?

No one really, It’s language. The language I habitually use is full of verbs that imply doers. And if the seeing of no doer was clear and constant, that language might change.

And what is it that is keeping the thought?

Nothing but the ...

Hi Vivien,

Please look at the display in front of you.

Is there a seer + seeing + seen?
Are all the 3 there?

No. There is no seer. Thought and language bring up a seer but that seer is fiction, a convenience of speech. And seeing and seen are one, simultaneous.

Is there anything that you ...

Hi Vivien,

Parties and preparations. I'll write tomorrow.

Hi Vivien

Now, could you tell me where you are looking at it FROM?

There is no from to be found and no ‘you’ doing the looking. The little homunculus that lived behind the eyes is nowhere to be found. There is space and there is focus simultaneously. The looking is everywhere all at once.

WHAT ...

I wasn't looking for more on this thread so I missed it yesterday. However, I'd be glad to continue.

Is this desire that seeing no self should produce some awesome and constant state is still there?

No it isn’t. It’s clear now that that was an idea that was seized upon long ago, and reinforced ...

Loads of thanks for all your perseverance and kindness.

Hi Vivien,

Please pinpoint where you felt you had the shift from intellectual understanding to the knowing (which is a feeling) that there is no separate self within this dialogue?

That feeling of pause, spaciousness, emptiness, peace, no need, appeared regularly in moments early in the process ...

Hi Vivien,

Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form?

No. The ‘self’ is the content of thoughts. It is not real, but imaginary.

Was there ever?

No. It was not there at birth. The idea was instilled by parents and culture.

Explain in detail ...

Hi Vivien,

How do does it FEEL to see that there is no experiencer to which experience is happen to?

Feeling is thought added to sensation. Ignoring the thought leaves the sensation alone, and the sensation is quite random, like a sensation that could be labeled fear could also be labeled ...

Hi Vivien,

V: What is experiencing this experience right now?
F: Life-ing, be-ing, know-ing, aware-ing.
are you sure about this? Is this really the case?

No. Nothing is experiencing this experience. If something must be named, it will not be real, but thought.

What is the experience of life ...

Hi Vivien,

So thoughts are constantly inferring a me, but does this me actually exist?

No, it doesn’t exist.

Has the ‘me’ ever been anything else than an inference? A phantasy? A speculation? A fiction?

No, never. Inferred by language, taught by culture.

What is experiencing this ...

What is the problem with this present moment?

No problem. If looked at there is no problem, just unperturbed
sensation.

Why should this moment be different?

There is no reason that this moment should be different. There are sometimes thoughts that there is something wrong with this moment ...

Hi Vivien

We are trying to use a langue that points directly to experience, and not to further thoughts about the experience.
Can you see the difference?

Yes.

When you catch yourself seeking after a state, stop and look:
What is it that is unhappy with what is? - find the unhappy one

Looking ...