thanks for sharing, touching story. it seems like you have seen some level of truth. do you feel there is more?

Well, first of all, I haven't seen it. I tried looking desperately for it and finally failed.

you haven't seen it - as in, you haven't found any 'self' in control of life?
or you haven ...

cool, i think that you sound pretty clear about this, so i'll try and get the others to confirm you.
in the meantime if you're looking for some more dialogue you can either start another rave here, or have a go on the facebook group -

https://www.facebook.com/groups/241097475942811/

and this group ...

when you say you see the sense of self trying to engage in no-self stuff, what do you mean?
do you just mean you see that where in reality there is really no self, a self sometimes tries to assert itself, to convince you it exists?
accepting the possibility that everything really might have been ...

yeahmmalright ta.
a month or so for me. at a bit of a loss maybe in what i'm supposed to do with what's left (of myself). maybe still working out what actually IS left.
i joined a rosicrucian mail-order group myself about ten years ago, enough to get the introductory booklets, but i never renewed my ...

hey there.

so how long has it been for you? have there been any confusions in particular that have come up, any old ghosts haunting you from the past of self? do you feel confident, or tentative in this new state? is it really a state for that matter?
what is the strong flow you mention that needs ...

Is realizing the reality of no self equal to liberation?

(speaking as an amateur - wait for a better answer)

liberation is to be free from entanglement in the dynamics of suffering. if you see what self actually is (a mirage) and how it has been believed throughout your life, you must have an ...

ddb, hi, friend. Just to remind you: this is NOT a discussion board. If you came to discuss Steven's work - not the right place. Please join our Facebook group Enlightenment NOW where we discuss and debate and make friendships and so on. Here - focus ONLY on liberation from the illusion of self ...

Knick, this is not about remininding yourself that. Reminding you that is just changing a belief for another ...

that distinction's really important, it will change your life if you let it.
it will change 'your life' to life.

the haunted universe was cool though.
now try and forget everything ...

(i've always wanted to know what the children's book is going to be to explain this to kids in the future. something like 'billy has two dads, but no self'.)

hey little girl, come over here for a minute.
do you like lollipops?
when i refer to myself, as a self, me or I, i am making a simple word ...

yeah, i've been having a few thoughts on that one.
short answer - yes, yes i do.
examining it here and now is a bit hard because it has disappeared (hence 'liberation' i guess). it may come back, but it'll be like an over the top drag-queen; easy to spot the fake.
it's just a mistake really, that ...

haha, a sled.
"rosebud!"

thanks, just what i feel the need for - knowing this for sure.
the experience has at times been a little denser or sadder today - self in its action that is - but it's like watching a slow-motion freak show. something is staring at this 'me' and its little ways, just not ...

okay, i want to get this baby nailed to the floor.
(eugh, i mean, well...)

am feeling slightly frazzled with this. it's ordinariness is almost frightening. mundane and powerful. like an earthquake.
(or, whatever, i don't know).
i felt a slight need to go all christian-mystic and say that the things ...

this verse, from this song, from i see a darkness, by bonnie prince billy, seems to work right now;



I've been to a minor place
and I can say I like its face
if I am gone and with no trace
I will be in a minor place

shit. i almost feel embarrassed now that i seem to have got the trick that is too straight-forward to be called a trick. it's not just a retreat from error, it's a retreat from complication.
yeah, praise makes me blush and cringe a little.
what's the cringing from, whose does it belong to? a 'get ...

Exactly. No self is needed, and that's kinda lucky because there isn't one.


this kind of triggers something. the fact that this is happening WITHOUT A SELF, whether i think and feel there's one there or not. there's nothing that the seeing of this is going to change because it's already ...