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Looking for a guide

Postby fufe » Fri Nov 07, 2014 8:25 pm

Hi,
Non-duality has been recommended by an acquitance of mine with whom I discuss self-discovery, dealing with inner demons/problems etc.
I don't think I had ever burning desire for truth. I have burning desire to solve my inner conflicts tho.
I was succesfull with some issues such as depression - which diminished after discovering something I can't remember (lol) by self inquiry - But some still persist. I think this may help me get a much more useful perspective on my problems and my life overall - If I knew the problems aren't really me, I think it would be insanely easier to deal with them :D
I am open to join somebody in this dialogue - They (or I) can decide whether I am ready for this or not, because at this point I am not sure.
I am from Czech Republic, Central Europe (GMT+1). I am 23.
I can post at least once a day hopefully

Be warned, I am not politically correct. I also am not airy-fairy spiritual person or anything like that - I like down to earth practical stuff (Altho I am ENFJ and quite feeling person).

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Re: Looking for a guide

Postby Armstrong » Sun Nov 09, 2014 1:04 pm

Dobry den! Hovorim trochu po slovensky.

I can guide you if you are willing. Feel free to look at other threads to get a sense of the style of interaction.

What are you expecting from this process?

It is important to examine that now. For example, if you think you will be happier, that expectation can complicate things; you might be continually checking your mood trying to see if it is happy enough. You might wind up unhappy as a result, and convinced you'd failed.

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Re: Looking for a guide

Postby fufe » Sun Nov 09, 2014 2:51 pm

Dobry den! Hovorim trochu po slovensky.

I can guide you if you are willing. Feel free to look at other threads to get a sense of the style of interaction.

What are you expecting from this process?

It is important to examine that now. For example, if you think you will be happier, that expectation can complicate things; you might be continually checking your mood trying to see if it is happy enough. You might wind up unhappy as a result, and convinced you'd failed.
Thanks for the offer :O Surprised I met somebody here who can speak Slovak
Already did hehe.
I also read few stories from the free PDF Gatecrashers or what was it's name (I forgot)

Well yeah, the overall happiness is an issue, I still expect I will feel more happier :/
I actually am constantly checking my internal state if it changed to the better :/
I also have this feeling that I should sit down and get something internally over with which I don't know what is about, so I'm expecting somehow this proces will help with this
I also partly have no idea what to expect
I expect there may be lessening of attachment
I expect that if there is no foundation to some problems, they will crumble or they will be more easy to deal with - And I see internally believing that "I" am/is somewhere as the foundation to some suffering.

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Re: Looking for a guide

Postby fufe » Sun Nov 09, 2014 3:49 pm

I also expect my daily life would be more bearable - I don't really like my job and being there (I don't think I will like any job)
I'm also afraid that I may lose any motivation or seeing value in all sorts of stuff and it will limit my fiction writing capabilities (I'm writing fantasy fiction)

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Re: Looking for a guide

Postby Armstrong » Mon Nov 10, 2014 6:48 pm

Thanks for your reply.

Motivation is key: do your really want to see the truth? Do you care about truth more than being comfortable?
Indeed, if you see the truth, your attitude towards everything may change - are you OK with that?

Imagine you discover that you're really just a robot, made out of meat, programmed to think things are important so that you'll do the jobs your creators wanted - and so if you see that, you might decide to do entirely different things? You might decide fiction writing and watching or playing "hokej" is pointless. Do you value the truth more than those unknown consequences?

About attachment and craving - pleasurable feelings are pleasurable, nasty ones feel nasty. That won't change. Are you going to be ok if that doesn't change?

Eg if you learn where your optic blind spot is (the hole in your visual field), would you figure that will make you like the look of a rose less? If you're addicted to porn, would finding the hole in your visual field "fix" your porn addiction?

What we're talking about here is truth. It is true you have some expectations. They may or may not be born out. Do you care enough about truth to look and see what's true?

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Re: Looking for a guide

Postby fufe » Mon Nov 10, 2014 7:41 pm

Thanks for your reply.

Motivation is key: do your really want to see the truth? Do you care about truth more than being comfortable?
Indeed, if you see the truth, your attitude towards everything may change - are you OK with that?

Imagine you discover that you're really just a robot, made out of meat, programmed to think things are important so that you'll do the jobs your creators wanted - and so if you see that, you might decide to do entirely different things? You might decide fiction writing and watching or playing "hokej" is pointless. Do you value the truth more than those unknown consequences?
I somehow expect that my attitude and view on things will change
About attachment and craving - pleasurable feelings are pleasurable, nasty ones feel nasty. That won't change. Are you going to be ok if that doesn't change?
Yes, this feels natural
Eg if you learn where your optic blind spot is (the hole in your visual field), would you figure that will make you like the look of a rose less? If you're addicted to porn, would finding the hole in your visual field "fix" your porn addiction?

What we're talking about here is truth. It is true you have some expectations. They may or may not be born out. Do you care enough about truth to look and see what's true?
Well since all of this makes sense I think I'm ok with this
To be honest I know it's a matter of time to face truth, so why not now

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Re: Looking for a guide

Postby Armstrong » Mon Nov 10, 2014 9:14 pm

OK. Let's try.

I am happy to assist in exploring 'no-self', though I can only point the way. You have to 'see' it for yourself. That is why we are described as guides, not teachers.

You and I will simply have a conversation, the aim of which will be for you to make the realization that there is no 'self'. That will be our focus. I will tend to ask various questions and set you some exercises, but nobody will be judging you. You can't get this wrong.

But before we start, let’s get through the formalities first:

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Re: Looking for a guide

Postby fufe » Mon Nov 10, 2014 9:44 pm

A few ground rules:
1. Post at least once a day, if you cannot post, or need more time, let me know.
2. Be 100% honest in your answers and inquiry.
3. Answer only from direct experience (felt senses and observed thoughts). Longwinded analytical and philosophical answers are best avoided and may even hinder progress.
4. Put aside all other teachings, philosophies and such for the remainder of this investigation. Really put all your effort and attention in to seeing this reality, as it is. If you have a daily and essential meditation practice, it is fine to continue that.
5. Understand that I will be guiding you, rather than teaching you, and the more you put into this process the more you will get out of it.
So I should I stop analyzing my emotional issues and problems ? With Inquiry and using Faster EFT..

Otherwise than this one question I'm, agreeing with everything (With this too, just making sure)

I'm going to sleep night, goodnight untill tommorrow

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Re: Looking for a guide

Postby Armstrong » Mon Nov 10, 2014 9:51 pm

So I should I stop analyzing my emotional issues and problems ? With Inquiry and using Faster EFT..
That's fine.

So, what do you think you - the thing reading this right now - are? Please answer in terms of direct experience. For info on "direct experience", here's a few links:

http://liberationunleashed.com/articles ... xperience/
http://liberationunleashed.com/LU_Audio ... n%2004.mp3

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Re: Looking for a guide

Postby fufe » Tue Nov 11, 2014 5:49 pm

That's fine.

So, what do you think you - the thing reading this right now - are? Please answer in terms of direct experience. For info on "direct experience", here's a few links:

http://liberationunleashed.com/articles ... xperience/
http://liberationunleashed.com/LU_Audio ... n%2004.mp3
I listened to the audio and read the article (The woman in the audio has a nice voice)

It feels like there is something that is aware of everything happening - Being aware of hearing, seeing etc and it feel concrete and real. It feels like a "point" somewhere inside.
If I concentrate on seeing and/or hearing something, then I also notice thouhts happening and thinking I'm x,y,z which is also only a thought.. So I guess I can't find any "I" :D
It's a form of "There must be something that I am, behind all of this happening !"

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Re: Looking for a guide

Postby Armstrong » Tue Nov 11, 2014 8:16 pm

Excellent. Thanks for looking. That's basically how the whole thing goes.

Ok, I recommend you listen and do the exercises in this one: http://liberationunleashed.com/LU_Audio ... n%2005.mp3

Please go through your ordinary day and try to notice this stuff in your everyday life.

It should be possible for you to notice this pretty much all the time.

Imagine if the exercise was to notice the feeling of gravity. You'd be able to notice it all day, right? We just aren't used to paying attention.

So the idea from here on out is to get you to notice how your self functions, like a mechanism, until you're very familiar with it. A metaphor: if you didn't know what a television was, we could have you examine the parts again and again. It would cease being magic or miraculous. You'd understand that the stuff on the screen was just a broadcast. You wouldn't think what was on the screen necessarily said anything important about you.

So please pay attention to the audio and look for that in your life. And then please relate, in words, a few examples of how that works for you.

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Re: Looking for a guide

Postby fufe » Wed Nov 12, 2014 5:21 pm

So please pay attention to the audio and look for that in your life. And then please relate, in words, a few examples of how that works for you.
So on the bus I noticed seeing, seeing+feeling that I am in a moving vehicle
Also hearing
Without I guess, anything like "me".
It feels like I'm looking ofr something that is there somewhere but I have no idea what to look for and how does the thing I'm looking to find is like.
I don't know is this is what I've been asked. I was noticing these things thorough the whole day but with the above ^ thing constantly

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Re: Looking for a guide

Postby Armstrong » Wed Nov 12, 2014 9:49 pm

Indeed, try to find the person. Pay attention. Strange experience.

But, did you listen to the audio and do the exercises?

It is great that you're paying attention to being alive, but for this to work I suspect it would help to go step by step. So pleaee listen to that audio and try to pay attention to labelling in your ordinary life.

Eg look at thing on counter and think "chlieb". I see same thing and think "bread".
That process happens. You should be an expert in it by now. It probably is novel. Let's go step by step and make it
familiar.

Is that ok?

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Re: Looking for a guide

Postby fufe » Thu Nov 13, 2014 7:10 pm

Indeed, try to find the person. Pay attention. Strange experience.

But, did you listen to the audio and do the exercises?

It is great that you're paying attention to being alive, but for this to work I suspect it would help to go step by step. So pleaee listen to that audio and try to pay attention to labelling in your ordinary life.

Eg look at thing on counter and think "chlieb". I see same thing and think "bread".
That process happens. You should be an expert in it by now. It probably is novel. Let's go step by step and make it
familiar.

Is that ok?
I ate chips (Mind said "yum")
I saw a nice bird (Mind said "Lol check that cool bird")
I was moving seating bags at work "White-red seating bag. White-blue seating bag." etc
These ? :O

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Re: Looking for a guide

Postby Armstrong » Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:35 pm

Nice looking.

Can you try this with food soon?
Look at the chips, can you see them as sight, thinking and feeling for a time, without eating them?

Does your perception change?


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