An open invitation. Jump in.

[Ilona]

Let's do it.

[Konrad]

Hey, let's pass all the intros and welcomes please :P.

What I am doing multiple times a day is I'm taking the experience behind "there is no me" thought and check if that is what is going on. I'm actually trying to see what does it feel like to not be anywhere, to not exist:P. In real life. To see if it's true. I test this all the time. It's on the experience level.

Feels like lightning a match, hopefully it will light soon.

What do you think? Will it work? I guess I need support, thats why I'm writing this :)

[Ilona]

Hey Blake, what is it that you are expecting to happen and what do you feel when you let the thought in-

There is no separate being 'me' at all, there never was and never will be.

What is it that you are looking for?

[Konrad]

I'm not looking for anything, I'm just checking if there is no me.
No expectations, just need for something real.
There is human organism and consciousness.

[Ilona]

Sounds that you are not sure if there is a me or not.
If I told you that Santa is not real, would you need to keep checking? Or would you just know?

What does word real mean to you?
I say, real is that which does not disappear if you stop believing in it.
Like table is real, tree, body, thoughts, feelings.

How do you see, what is real?

[Konrad]

I see what you are doing. It's about distinguishing fairytales from reality.

What does word real mean to you? How do you see, what is real?

Real is everything what's left after me.


I need more time answering those Santa questions, they really mess me up

[Ilona]

What do you mean, left after you? Can you give some examples?

Yes, people believe in fairytale nonsense. Sadly. Most prefer sweet lie to growing up and are scared of reality. It takes some courage to question most precious beliefs.

What is real is. What is imagined, isn't.

[Konrad]

Good evening,

You asked:

If I told you that Santa is not real, would you need to keep checking? Or would you just know?

I would answer: "Just because you haven't met him in real life, you are 100% that he doesn't exist. Does that make sense? Maybe he exists in real life and you don't know it."

It's impossible to disagree with that logic. The only reason to stop believing in Santa is to met him in real life.
There is no reason to stop believing in Santa just because I haven't met him. I guess that's why it is called a belief.

I've got problem with that. Problem with beliefs. I can't wrap my head around that topic.

For example. I believe that Santa is real, I hold this belief until I met him in real life, then this belief becomes truth, and then I no longer believe that he exists, but I know for sure that he exists.

How do I stop believing? It somehow feels very complicated. How do I drop beliefs?

I hope you understand at least half of what I'm trying to say.

Your another question:

What does word real mean to you? How do you see, what is real?

Real is everything that I can touch, see, smell, taste, hear.
Real thing stays true no matter what you think about it.
Real is something universal for everyone.
Real cannot be thinked(?)

It's hard to think about those things.
Looking for your reply :). I know I did not good enough. Shame that I'm submiting that post.

[Konrad]

Bump :)

[Ilona]

I would answer: "Just because you haven't met him in real life, you are 100% that he doesn't exist. Does that make sense? Maybe he exists in real life and you don't know it."

wow, just wow. ok, how about a mickey mouse. is he real?

i see we need to clarify this stage before we can move on to next. fantasy land needs to be separated clearly from real land. look at thoughts and look at them as pointers. pointer table points to a real table. pointer hand points to a real hand. pointer cinderella points to some imaginary character. real character, with likes and dislike, but not real in life. can you see a difference? open this up. explore how pointers do not need to point to real. content of thoughts is not reality, it's a language overlay of what is. and fantasy is an amazing world, but it's fantasy...

get back when you can clearly see that santa never will be real. lol.. ( kids know that)

[Konrad]

I can obviously distinguish the real world from the fantasy world. I just went too deep into it maybe.

Let's move on.

[Ilona]

let's see. does word i point to something real or a fantasy? what about pointer 'me'? does i / me exist in reality?

[Konrad]

I honestly can't answer those questions, I tried and tried and tried and nothing came up. Just blank space.

It feels like those questions are totally surreal. Like they doesn't matter. Don't know..

[Ilona]

The blank space IS the answer.
There is nothing behind those words in a form of entity that has control over thinking or doing.

Look at language and how it's structured.
I breath,
I sit,
I run,
I feel,
I create,
I scratch when it itches.

Is there some I that does all those? Next time you in action, see if it's there.

Then think of everything in verbs only:
Breathing
Sitting
Walking
Etc..

does experience require an experiencer to which experience happens?

Let me know what you find.

[Konrad]

Hey,

I breath,
I sit,
I run,
I feel,
I create,
I scratch when it itches.

Is there some I that does all those?

Definitely not

[quote="Ilona]does experience require an experiencer to which experience happens? [/quote]

No, I feel like it's all one, no divisions.

Even if we think there is an experiencer, we cannot locate him. It doesn't matter what we think, everything is happening on its own anyway.

Like there is just experience. It's getting clearer.

Cheers :)