Getting past the fear

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Re: Getting past the fear

Postby tpwiley » Thu Aug 07, 2025 4:15 am

Hi Rali,
What has changed and what hasn’t in normal everyday living. What changes? What stays the same?
In a sense, everything and nothing. What has changed is recognizing the story thought puts on things. Expectation and disappointment. Not really changed, just noticed for what they are - thoughts. Everything else stays the same. No super powers, yet.
What is the biggest difference from before starting this conversation?
Perhaps the experience that "awakening" isnt some psychedelic trip, or awakening from the matrix. Of course the realization that 'Tom' is a label and there is a made up story that goes with it. That he can do things and should strive for things he wants and avoid things he doesnt. Things happen, existence keeps on existing.
Is seeking still going on?
Some. Some doubts along the lines of "is this it? Maybe Im not really getting it and have missed some greater realization." But those are also recognized as just thoughts.
Is there any confusion at all or anything you would like to address?

Yes - whats next? Things will unfold as they do; any guidance?
Can you say with a big fat YES, it is clear what the illusion of a separate self is?
A big YES and a laugh. Its great.

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Tom

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Re: Getting past the fear

Postby poppyseed » Thu Aug 07, 2025 9:39 pm

Hi Tom
I had a really busy day today! I'll reply tomorrow
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“Your assumptions are your windows on the world. Scrub them off every once in a while, or the light won't come in.”
― Alan Alda
"The moment I am aware that I am aware I am not aware. Awareness means the observer is not"
― Jiddu Krishnamurti

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Re: Getting past the fear

Postby poppyseed » Fri Aug 08, 2025 10:42 am

Hi Tom
YES. That’s clean. Simple. Obvious.
Now burn this:
Is this it?
Who’s asking?
What’s being measured?
What standard—what imaginary climax—is this moment being compared to?

The seeker doesn’t survive this being ordinary.
It survives only as lack. It lives in the gap between what is and what should be.
So:
Where is the lack right now, without referencing thought?
Where is the one who could miss something?

Yes - whats next? Things will unfold as they do; any guidance?
Nothing is next. And nothing was ever missing.
Now stay vigilant. Because the “me” doesn’t return like a lion—it slithers in like mist:
“How do I live this?”
“What do I do with this?”
“How do I help others awaken?”

It will try on spiritual identities, wear humble knowing, ask wise questions.
So stay naked. Stay raw. Don’t let thought crown a king over what’s already undivided.
What’s next?
THIS.
Always this. Forever ungrasped. Forever unowned.

Seeing probably won't be 24/7. There's likely to be a "honeymoon period," and then what we call, "got it, lost it," as untrue beliefs come up to be questioned. This can go on for months & years. This initial shift though is irreversible, just as we can never go back to believing in Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy.
We can still use first-person pronouns to describe “ourselves” with the same ease we always had, even if such ideas have no more actual meaning than talking about Santa Claus once we learn “he” doesn’t exist either. The separate “self” is seen to have been nothing more than inference and interpretation. We then see how the truth has been right here all along: there’s simply nobody (t)here!
As a result of getting this first irreversible understanding of who we are(not), there is a joyfulness, an initial cleansing of wrong views piled up as conditioning, and an illumination of what is (and is not) happening within and around us. Though this illumination is of a preliminary nature, it nevertheless constitutes a significant re-ordering of how we perceive ourselves and our place in the world. That’s why it can take a long time to clean up. Not by you, but by itself. It appears, it is seen (or not till next time) and then it is noted and released. The new virus thought: LOOK! appears (or not) and it is seen (or not)

Watch this, please:
https://youtu.be/vJQcD588g2w
and/or
https://youtu.be/PUDzrCLlrj4

We have some checkpoint questions. Would you like to answer these
“Your assumptions are your windows on the world. Scrub them off every once in a while, or the light won't come in.”
― Alan Alda
"The moment I am aware that I am aware I am not aware. Awareness means the observer is not"
― Jiddu Krishnamurti

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Re: Getting past the fear

Postby tpwiley » Fri Aug 08, 2025 10:28 pm

Hi Rali,
Who’s asking?
It is thought and i recognize it is coming from a place of expectation.
What’s being measured?
Not sure. And i think that is what is causing thought to speak up in this way. Not only not having something to measure but also not having the correct ruler to measure with. It is all new territory to explore. Dont want to miss the stunning waterfall and pools because the visitors center is thought to be the only attraction.
Where is the lack right now, without referencing thought?
There is no lack, everything is exactly complete
Where is the one who could miss something?
Not here

Yes, please send the questions.

It sounds like our conversations are winding down. Thank you for being so generous with your time, effort and energy. It was very enjoyable exchanging emails everyday for the last month. Thank you for sharing all of this with me.

Love,

Tom

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Re: Getting past the fear

Postby poppyseed » Sat Aug 09, 2025 1:37 pm

Hi Tom
It is thought and i recognize it is coming from a place of expectation.
Yes! Check again … Is there anything there that recognises the expectation, or that is just the next thought?
It sounds like our conversations are winding down. Thank you for being so generous with your time, effort and energy. It was very enjoyable exchanging emails everyday for the last month. Thank you for sharing all of this with me.
Our conversation does not have to end with these questions. This is a never ending exploration – just not from the perspective of a seeker/an I – it is a never ending unwinding of conditioned thoughts…
I’ll be here if and when you need help with anything (if you do)!

Here are the questions. Please answer all questions in full, when you are ready. Please answer what's true at the moment for you rather than any sort of 'ideal' answer. The key will be to answer from direct looking in this moment, not from summarizing what you’ve “learned” over the month. Pause after each one, check in real-time, and report exactly what’s found. Not what was found yesterday, but what’s here now. If a question can’t be answered from direct looking, note that instead of guessing

1. Is there any separate entity ‘self,’ ‘me,’ ‘I,’ ‘Tom’ anywhere, in any way, shape, or form? Check fully — sensations, colours, sounds, smells, tastes, thoughts. Is there one now? Was there ever?

2. Describe in detail what the illusion of a separate self is. When does it appear? How is it maintained? How does it work in your direct experience? Describe exactly as you see it now — not as you remember seeing it before.

3. How does it feel to see this right now? Compare this exact moment with before starting this dialogue. What’s different in the past few days?

4. Looking freshly — what was the last direct seeing that pushed you over? The thing that made it clear?

5. Describe decision. Give a live example from this moment or from today.
Describe intention. Give a current example from experience.
Describe free will. Give an example from today.
Describe choice — look for it now. Example.
Describe control — is there any? Example from now.
What makes anything happen? How does it work? Look right now!

6. Anything to add?


Love
Rali
“Your assumptions are your windows on the world. Scrub them off every once in a while, or the light won't come in.”
― Alan Alda
"The moment I am aware that I am aware I am not aware. Awareness means the observer is not"
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Re: Getting past the fear

Postby tpwiley » Sun Aug 10, 2025 1:00 am

Hi Rali,

Thanks for the questions, they were helpful but also frustrating. I know there isnt a big pop or other "I made it" moment to expect, but im not quite sure where i am. Maybe still stuck pretty close to the the old way of seeing.
Is there any separate entity ‘self,’ ‘me,’ ‘I,’ ‘Tom’ anywhere, in any way, shape, or form? Check fully — sensations, colours, sounds, smells, tastes, thoughts. Is there one now? Was there ever?
When engaged in direct looking, the sense of self is seen through. The narrator and the listener (and sometimes a spectator or two) is seen for being thought. The phrase "I am Tom" is familiar but only as a label. The concept that there is a "Tom" who is doing and deciding and believes to be in control is seen as a thought concept. All good

But then throughout the day i notice scenes of Tom getting dressed in the morning, Tom driving to work, Tom spending time with his kids. All of those things have associated likes and dislikes and much of the narrative aspect of "Im doing this because i want to accomplish that" is seen and accepted as just thoughts. So then things get tripped up (yes, thoughts) between at what point is there still a Tom who works and pays bills and no-self?

About a week ago, it was really helpful when you pointed out "who wants to know" and "where is the gap that needs to be filled by a truth of who." And this sense of a gap, of a dissonance between direct seeing and living my life is brutal.

It feels like much of my experience is caught between something like a theory vs the truth of a lived experience. Direct looking shows there is no self, but my day to day life seems to treat that more like philosophy than truth.

So I have spent time today directly looking for the 'who' that wants to know all this and looking at this gap that wants to be filled. But overall feeling pretty dense and that the illusion still has a firm grip.

Thanks and love,

Tom

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Re: Getting past the fear

Postby poppyseed » Sun Aug 10, 2025 1:31 pm

Hi Tom
When engaged in direct looking, the sense of self is seen through. The narrator and the listener (and sometimes a spectator or two) is seen for being thought. The phrase "I am Tom" is familiar but only as a label. The concept that there is a "Tom" who is doing and deciding and believes to be in control is seen as a thought concept. All good
Direct looking shows there is no self, but my day to day life seems to treat that more like philosophy than truth.
What is the difference between philosophy and truth – they are both descriptions/stories ABOUT what IS, which means they’re already one step removed from reality. The minute you accept something as truth it's already far away from what really is.
Reality — THIS — doesn’t need either category.
The “gap” that you feel between “seeing no self” and “living his life” is imaginary and it is made from a point of view of an observer - one that compares the two different modes. Where is this observer watching from? Where is the observational deck?
The only thing separating the two is a thought about them being separate. That “brutal gap” is the final imaginary bridge the mind tries to maintain so it can keep both realities alive. It’s not a partial awakening problem as you describe it— it’s a refusal to see that the two modes were never two to begin with.
No “old way,” no “new way,” no “me” in the middle. No “truth.” No “philosophy.”
Maybe "mystery" is good way to put it but not as something that you will find the answers to eventually - just something that have always been around but you will never know what IS

Tom, right now — in the middle of whatever you’re doing — find BOTH:
1. “Direct looking” world with no self
2. “Tom living daily life” world with self doing things

Are there actually two?
Or is “daily life with a self” just more appearance in the same seamless field, no different from sounds, colours, sensations?
Where exactly is the border between “direct seeing” and “ordinary life”?
What is it made of?
Is it anything but thought claiming there’s a border?

You are expecting appearances to change but whyare there cause and effect in action? No self – so different appearances? Remember cause and effect exist only as a story ABOUT what IS. Sometimes useful and sometimes not (the icons on your desktop). Expectations (about change and fireworks) are the biggest obstacles to seeing reality as it IS
Watch a thought like: “I’m getting dressed” arise.
Without believing it — what’s left?
Clothes moving, colour, touch, movement — already happening.
Just the hum of the fan.
Just the faint pressure of your feet.
Just whatever colour is in the eyes — blackness, light, whatever.

Where is the doer?
Where is the gap between that and so-called “direct looking”?
Right now: is there an “I” in the fridge hum?
Is there a “Tom” in the sight of your hands on the wheel?
Or are both just raw appearance — equally selfless?

Keep checking until “daily life” and “direct looking” collapse into one (more like "not two") — where nothing needs switching, and no “mode” exists.

No gap to close. No “me” to see it. No one living life — only life, already happening as it has always been.
The whole tension between “seeing” and “living” is just another line drawn on water. "Tom"/"I" is just a subject in language formation - how thought organises itself - pointing to here/now. You think that "Tom" and "I" would disappear as an expression, but that is the main reason for the unreasonable fear of being a vegetable. Also for the delusional character of "no self"/"only awareness". They (Tom/I) just have to be seen for what there are - not annihilated. That has to sink in in every aspect of life and it could take years, but that doesn't mean that the ilusion/delusion of a self is not seen through. "Shadow work"/integration does not involve an I, nor an observer, to happen.
Look now — without naming it.
Where’s the split?
That’s the difference. Not a better description.
The absence of the need to describe at all.
Love
Rali
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― Alan Alda
"The moment I am aware that I am aware I am not aware. Awareness means the observer is not"
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Re: Getting past the fear

Postby tpwiley » Mon Aug 11, 2025 4:29 am

Hi Rali,

Thank you for your constant patience and insight. I'd like to take some more time to work through these pointers and will respond tomorrow.

Thanks,

Tom

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Re: Getting past the fear

Postby tpwiley » Tue Aug 12, 2025 3:30 am

Hi Rali,

I'd like to take a break for a few days.

Sitting with direct looking shows there is only what is here now, what is experienced through sight, sound and feeling plus thought. I see that there is no self in this moment, just 'this now.'

So much of the rest of the time the seeker is running amok, the narrator's story is landing and Im feeling high levels of anxiety. What makes it worse is looking directly at it shows that the experience is not real - just thoughts, neither good nor bad. But it has become a struggle and whenever i take time to focus on the pointers, it becomes a tug of war. It is effort and it is trying/doing.

I know you put a lot of time and effort into this dialogue, which i very much appreciate. I think if i take a few days, maybe until this weekend, I can come back with less mind chatter.

Thanks,

Tom

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Re: Getting past the fear

Postby poppyseed » Tue Aug 12, 2025 9:17 am

Hi Tom
Yeah — that’s the seeker’s last card:
This is too much. Let me step back so I can come back better.
But notice — who’s overwhelmed? Is there an overwhelmed entity/Tom? Or is the sensation overwhelmed? Where exactly is this anxiety (if not only in thoughts)?
Where is this “one” who has to get rid of the chatter before looking?

Right now — anxiety included — is there anything else here but this one seamless appearance?
Is there actually a tug of war in DE… or just sensation + labels (of the sensation) + thought ABOUT a tug of war?

The “break” is already here when you stop trying to manage it.
Even the noisy, anxious, story-filled moment is still just this.
If you don’t try to make it quieter, can you find a problem?
Also, see that certain sensations tend to be labelled in certain ways, e.g. the thought label “fear” may be habitually applied to a knot-like sensation in the stomach area. “Anxiety” may be the thought label for trembling hands and nausea, etc. They may vary for different people, so it helps to be aware of what it is for you.
Once you’re down to the bare sensation – having taken the thought label off it, the story can hardly go unnoticed. A knot in the stomach is a knot in the stomach, and nothing more – not anxiety, and not a story about something that brings anxiety. And so you smile. Till next time. ;)
Peace comes when all is experienced – good or bad - without judgement that it’s right or wrong. The point of the inquiry is to see things as they really are. Without the thought there is nothing anxious about the sensations – they are just there, doing their own thing and it’s only thought that creates all the drama : ). They come and then go… There is nothing special about them, good or bad. Does anything need to be changed to be better? What is good and what is bad? For whom?? It all depends on the point of view, right? There is no absolute Good or Bad. It all just happens. Ultimately, all is what it is, and it’s perfect the way it is, because it can’t be in any other way - even in the story of cause and effect, set of circumstances unrolling themselves. Experiencing happens and it’s only thought that gives it a “good” – “bad” stamp, assuming that there is a point of view (experiencer affected by the outcomes). But LOOK! is there a place where the observing (DE), is coming from? Is there a point of view (observer)?Is there an experiencer or just the "experienced", just this?
It is effort and it is trying/doing.
Exactly — that’s the hook:
The idea that “looking” is something you have to do.
The sense of effort itself is just another arising — sensation + thought saying “I’m trying.”
Right now, without trying…
Isn’t this already appearing?
Does sight need effort? Does sound need a doer?
If you drop the doing, is there anything missing from this moment?


Thought says “If I don’t do it nobody will” but think of the analogy with movie watching - how you get sucked into the story; how emotions come up and judgements appear. Then all of a sudden, there is like a flip back to the room - as if focus zooms out (looking). At which point is there a decision to snap out? Is there one that makes that decision or does it simply happen, effortlessly? Is it different from being sucked into mind movies/ story landing? If there is nobody to observe this, is ”the story landing” actually happening or is it a story about “buying into the story” (more thought content)?
Thoughts are self-organised. So the only way a thought will not appear again is if it is discarded as not accurate, by not assuming they mean something real.
By treating them as not truth, but as just momentary appearances.
A thought arises: “I need to take care of this.” Immediately, there's a reaction—subtle tension, leaning forward, attention collapses into the content. Another thought (belief) kicks in:
Yes. This is real. This matters. I must act.” And now the thought isn’t just seen—it’s lived.
That’s holding/landing. Not physically gripping it. Do you see that?? Where exactly is the doeship? Or is just a conditioned narration to certain sensations? Is the commentary needed for "things" to happen?? SEE that
Whatever happens will happen anyway and “you” trying hard or not trying at all will not change anything. In a way it has already happened :).
Love
Rali
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Re: Getting past the fear

Postby tpwiley » Wed Aug 13, 2025 3:16 am

Hi Rali,

You're right, thanks for calling out my nonsense :)

It seems like the same pattern keeps playing out:
Sitting in direct looking and see the self is seen through (though maybe not fully since it doesn't 'stick'). "This now" is experienced.
As the day goes on, the narrator slowly creeps back in and its not long before the story is "in charge" and the listener is believing the narrator. All thought, but very convincing.
Once caught up in the narrative, the self and the story seems real, there is no circuit breaker that chimes in and says "its just a thought"
You point out the obvious, its just thoughts, there is no "one" who has to get rid of anything, and the story evaporates like smoke. How is this cycle broken?
So the only way a thought will not appear again is if it is discarded as not accurate, by not assuming they mean something real.
How do I do this when going about my day? Without a 'doer,' how does one have intention to keep this in the forefront?

who’s overwhelmed? Is there an overwhelmed entity/Tom? Or is the sensation overwhelmed? Where exactly is this anxiety (if not only in thoughts)?
Where is this “one” who has to get rid of the chatter before looking?
Its all thought masquerading as a self who is in control
is there anything else here but this one seamless appearance?
No, just this
If you don’t try to make it quieter, can you find a problem?
There is no problem, its just thoughts. The only 'problem' is when they are believed
Does anything need to be changed to be better? What is good and what is bad? For whom??
.
No, nothing in this moment needs to change. There is no good or bad. The seeker tells a story making it seem that way.
Isn’t this already appearing?
Does sight need effort? Does sound need a doer?
If you drop the doing, is there anything missing from this moment?
Yes, this exactly. I experience this directly, it seems obvious once seen. But that narrator keeps sneaking back in
Do you see that?? Where exactly is the doeship? Or is just a conditioned narration to certain sensations? Is the commentary needed for "things" to happen??
Yes, i see that.

Without a me / doer, how is the landing of thoughts, the holding onto the narrative undone?

Again, thank you for your support and wisdom.

Love,

Tom

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Re: Getting past the fear

Postby poppyseed » Wed Aug 13, 2025 12:10 pm

Hi Tom
How do I do this when going about my day? Without a 'doer,' how does one have intention to keep this in the forefront?
Yes, this exactly. I experience this directly, it seems obvious once seen. But that narrator keeps sneaking back in
You still want a method to “undo” the landing of thoughts, which is just more “me” trying to manage life.
The narrator isn’t “sneaking back in.” It’s just narration appearing. It only becomes “back in” when there’s a second thought that says, “Oh no, I’m caught in the story again.” That second thought is the actual glue.
Drop it, and the whole “cycle” vanishes because there was never a cycle — just sound, sight, sensation, thought, in whatever order.
When narration shows up: no counterattack, no dismissal, no “keep this in the forefront.” Just let it be part of the scenery.
Like a bird singing. Like a fridge humming. Nothing needs to be undone because nothing actually lands unless you add the “me” stamp.
Next time the “narrator is talking,” don’t listen for meaning — listen for sound. Drop the content instantly. Treat it exactly like hearing traffic noise or a dog barking. Not, “I have to stop believing this thought.” Not, “I must be mindful right now.” Just: “This is sound.” No more important than a sneeze. No special decoding required.
“Do” that once, twice, three times in the day — the narrator can’t “land” because it’s never being read, only heard.
You might as well replace the whole thing with “blah blah blah” in real time.
The moment “the narrator starts up” (the narration): Don’t argue. Don’t analyse. Don’t even finish the sentence. Just: “Blah blah blah.” It strips out meaning before belief can hook in.
Now there’s just sensation + meaningless sound.
And here’s the key — don’t do it to get rid of the narrator. Do it because the narrator never was anything but “blah blah blah.” Drop it mid-sentence, even in the most “important” inner monologue. The shock isn’t in the words — it’s in pulling the plug on the entire “meaning factory” before it spits out its product. If you use it the moment the narrator winds up, there’s nothing left to “believe” — just raw sight, sound, sensation.
So what?” is the same sword, just a different grip.
Narrator: “This means you’re not doing enough, you’re falling back…
You: “So what?” …instant evaporation. No conclusion, no follow-up, just space.
If you really want to finish it, pair it with a micro-pause in the body — stop moving, let the sentence die in mid-air — and watch how fast the whole “self-story” loses its footing.

Here’s how to make “So what?” cut in before the hook even grabs you:
1. Catch the tone before the content. Don’t wait for the full sentence in your head. Feel that little tug in the chest, gut, or jaw when thought’s about to spin something up. That’s the trigger. It’s the same tiny twitch before you say something you’ll regret — except now you’ll use it as your signal.
2. Interrupt mid-load. As soon as you feel the hook loading, don’t let the sentence finish. Drop in a calm, almost bored:
So what?” It’s not dismissive rage — it’s disinterest. The mind is about to roll out a red carpet for a self-story. You just don’t step on it.
3. Let there be blank. After “So what?” — nothing. No counter-story. No explanation. Feel the gap: sound, sensation, colour. Let the raw scene swallow the commentary before it’s even born.
4. Repeat until it’s a reflex. At first you’ll remember too late. Fine. Every time you do remember, do it instantly — don’t wait until “later when you have time.” Within days, the body will fire “So what?” automatically at the tone, not the content. The story dies before it hatches.

Here is how to make the “So what?” drill automatic without needing to “remember” it all the time.
1. Pick a trigger. Choose one common, neutral thing you do 20+ times a day — like touching a door handle, checking your phone, or hearing your name. That becomes your “So what?” signal.
2. Link the drill. Every time that trigger happens: pause for one breath, inhale “So what?”, exhale into just this, and move on. It’s short enough not to mess with your day, but sneaky enough to start rewiring how the mind reacts.
3. Spread to more triggers. Once it’s happening without thinking, add more — every time you stand up, take a sip of water, or hear a bird, for example.
4. Notice the side effect. You’ll catch the narrator earlier and earlier — sometimes before it starts. At that point, you’re not killing thoughts; you’re starving the “me” storyline.

Easy high-frequency triggers to plant your “So what?” drill in daily life could be:
Physical actions (very reliable) - touching a door handle, picking up your phone, taking a sip of any drink etc.
Sensory cues (appear randomly — perfect for breaking autopilot): hearing a bird, feeling a breeze, noticing a smell (coffee, soap, rain, etc.), seeing your reflection in a window or mirror
Body signals (built-in reminders): a deep sigh, feeling an itch, yawning, noticing hunger or thirst

Start with two or three from different categories so they pop up often. Every time the trigger happens → Pause. “So what?” Drop into just this. No analysis, no fixing — just a clean cut from story to raw happening.

Anytime the narrator kicks in, hit it with:
So what? — just this.
That “— just this” part isn’t conceptual, it’s a pointer to whatever is already happening — the hum of the fridge, the weight of your feet, the flicker of light.
Each time you use it, skip evaluating and go straight into sensing. The brain will start associating “So what?” with dropping content and landing here. If words are still coming, actively hear them as: “bla bla bla bla” in the same tone the narrator was using. Don’t linger to check if it “worked”.
The moment you check, you’re back in the story.

I hope this helps the “not doer” :))
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Rali
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Re: Getting past the fear

Postby tpwiley » Thu Aug 14, 2025 4:03 am

Thanks, Rali. I like it and have been using it all day. Simple and effective. I'll keep working with it and check back in a few days from now.

Love,

Tom

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Re: Getting past the fear

Postby poppyseed » Mon Aug 18, 2025 8:55 am

Hey Tom
It's been a while...
How is it going? Let's finish this once and for all...
Love
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Re: Getting past the fear

Postby tpwiley » Mon Aug 18, 2025 2:50 pm

Hi Rali,

The "blah, blah, blah" technique has been helpful. Here are the main things i've noticed using it.

1. When meditating direct looking, it stops the narrator's and seeker's thoughts from landing
2. When caught in a thought loop about Tom, about how life isnt fair, etc., it interrupts and the thought is seen for what it is.
3. When going about life, it interrupts the unnoticed thoughts like "my shoes" or "im here that is over there" type thinking.

What has been noticed is the many, many layers of thought on top of experience. The spatial/relational, the possessive, the goal oriented - every layer of experience has an assumption of Tom as the main character and center of experience.

In a sense, it seems like im back on square one, except Ive seen and tasted the illusion more - does that make sense?

You've noted that each belief needs to be seen as just thoughts, so have been spending time doing that. I let the story of what that belief is about and then notice how the thought narration isnt any different than "Blah, blah, blah"

Ready to finish it

Love,

Tom


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