Way to Light

[LightEternal]

Sandrita, não há dúvidas. mas vamos voltar a isto, não vá haver aqui alguma manha de bastidores, com o ego nunca se sabe :D

Viva Pedro!

Aquilo que quase ninguém repara, porque nunca prestam atenção, é que o mundo que existe, existe contigo, não existe lá fora e tu aqui atrás como avaliador/lutador, não como um recipiente onde tu fazes as coisas isoladamente.

Como é que sabes que aqui atrás estás tu, o avaliador/lutador?
Imagina que eu sou um ET. Prova-me que isto é verdade, tendo em atenção que não sei falar a tua língua.

Bjs

aqui atrás não está nada. existe uma sugestão que há algo aqui atrás a exercer controlo e autoridade, mas é só sugestão. o Pedro que faz e acontece é uma ideia, tal como a ideia o Pedro é uma batata frita. à luz da realidade isso não é verdade.

provar a um ET que o Eu não é real? acho que não era preciso, a questão base era se o ET acredita que é separado da realidade, se tem algo só dele. se ele não acredita no ego, ou se nem tem sugestões disso, ele é livre. para quê mostrar a ilusão se ele não a tem? se pegarmos numa vaca ou num bebé, eles simplesmente existem. não precisam de mais nada, não querem saber de mais nada.

bisou

[Canfora]

Olá. É curioso como pareces achar que existe uma ligação entre ver a ilusão e ser livre, não precisar de nada e não querer saber de nada. O que é que uma coisa tem a ver com as outras?

Bjs

[LightEternal]

Bem, é mais porque enquanto que acharem que existe um Eu real e separado têm mais tendência para seguir as suas sugestões de "como isto devia ser", a insatisfação ganha mais força e deve ser combatida. quando vemos que só há vida, onde a insatisfação está incluída, deixa de haver resistência ao momento presente. ser livre é uma expressão que talvez tenha sido mal usada, dá ideia de displicência. antes de vermos a ilusão precisamos de coisas e depois de ver a ilusão continuamos a precisar de coisas :D

bisous

[Canfora]

E tu deixaste de resistir ao momento presente? A 100%?
Estás a falar sobre a tua experiência?

[LightEternal]

E tu deixaste de resistir ao momento presente? A 100%?
Estás a falar sobre a tua experiência?

Sim, acho q não há resistência. Quer dizer, não gosto quando estou triste ou zangado mas não luto contra isso. É a vida.

Bjs

[Canfora]

Qual é a tua resposta a estas perguntas?

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

[LightEternal]

No, there´s a sugestion of self, nothing more. Thoughts around an "I" thought that triggers feelings and body sensations that gives an impression of something personal behind the eyes, a center of some sort. But there´s nothing. There never was nothing, you can see it throught the day, the "I" thought, the so-called center, only appear in specific moments, many times it´s not there. how can that be? because it´s not there at all. life just happens, you float with it.

[Canfora]

Nice! Como já deves ter percebido estou a perguntar-te as "LU standart final questions". Diz-me se achares que ainda é cedo para isso ou se tiveres dúvidas, etc. Ou continua, se te sentires confortável a respondê-las:

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from
your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.

3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue?
Please report from the past few days.

[LightEternal]

Sim, não há problema, não tenho grandes dúvidas :)

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from
your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.

well, it starts with the I thought. basically the I thought suggests things, "my life" "my this" "my that" "i´m this" "i´m that" and so subtly you start to believe there´s really a personal center somewhere in you, a separated self. that illusion is created based on thought, also social identification, but it´s mainly driven on compulsive thought. and as a compulsive pattern it never stops judging, analysing and seeking, wether pleasure, wether avoiding pain. now since the pull of the illusion is very strong now not only you believe you´re an "I" but a needy "I" who naturally is at war with "what is".

3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue?

not much of a difference :). the main difference for me is the search is gone. once i saw the I and it´s pull and how life runs without my ponderations, it becomes clear that is all a mind trick. a very good one. life runs, it´s the best i can say. only after mind kicks in saying "this is abnormal".

[Canfora]

Oki.

Aqui vai mais uma:

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over; made you look?

[LightEternal]

Well, Sandra kept asking "pay attention", "don´t complicate, just pay attention" :D. and i did. and one time i was taking coffee hearing "shine on crazy diamond" (go figure :D ) on my window, just watching outside, and for some brief seconds i saw life going by. children running, birds chasing each other, machines making noise, and in that spectrum of events it was clear that life´s runs without me.

not "me" the body, there´s a body here no doubt, it interactes in what is. but "me" the ego. in that moment it became clear that it´s the ego (mind) that wants to sneak into reality, not the other way round. in commom sense you can see instantly how your stream of thoughts is totally different from reality, but when you reallly really see things going on, it´s clear that of course you´re part of what is, not an isolated unit. there´s only a suggestion of individualism, an "I", nothing more.

[Canfora]

Thank you Pedro,

Here are the other two:

5) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control. What makes things happen?
How does it work? What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.

6) Anything to add?

[LightEternal]

5) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control. What makes things happen?
How does it work? What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.

Decision – there´s no decision, things just happen the way they happen. We are not making decisions, language says that options exist, in reality there´s only a constant flow of events. That what is right now, as it is. By coming here today i profit the afternoon break, never found what took the decision in the first place.
Intention – i think it´s when we focus on something to attain a goal. But the word goal is only conceptual knowledge, there´s only what´s happening now. Once again how the intention started, what triggered it, it´s a mystery. For now i have the intention of finishing this post, but i´m don´t know if that will happen.
Free will – life just happens, no one is in control. Only when mind looks backwards and starts to tell a story, there´s the sugestion “i did this, i choose that”. In reality it´s all automatic, you didn´t choose anything, in the best we can say that choices happen but no chooser. Example: why did i choose this task to do right now instead of other tasks? Did i choose it in the first place?
Choice – i´ll give the same answer of decision.
Control – there´s no doer, no thinker, no decision maker. control implies time, a frozen frame. since time doesn´t exist and you the author neither = there´s no control.

6) Something to add?
Well, i think there´s a lot of folkclore around this which doesn´t help at all grasping it´s simplicity and triviality. The more worn out is the seeker the more it has expectations about how truth should be like. The mind is already complicaded enough, no need to add extra material :D. But anyways there´s one thing i do find correspondence: everybody was saying that this was very simple. And it is. But it´s simple after you seen it. Before that, the folkclore and the mind makes you believe (and therefore hard to accept the simplicity) that This is far away from our natural hability, requires time and hard work.