(Hindi) Why sufferings?

[PAWAN]

And what does ... a lief mean?

Wo life likhna tha lief likh ho gaya

[Kya]

Yes, thanks, I see :)

So, what is your answers to the questions in blue. Please answer separately. Also look at my comments in the previous post and can you see what happens - the jump from seeing no Pawan can be known to be is here, who is Pawan?

[PAWAN]

Without thought and imagination, is it known that what is touched in vartaman is Pawan? How?

Par thoughts ,imagination and emotions ka origin to pawan hai....

[PAWAN]

Without thought and imagination, is it known that what is touched in vartaman is Pawan? How?

Par thoughts ,imagination and emotions ka origin to pawan hai....

[Kya]

Par thoughts ,imagination and emotions ka origin to pawan hai....

Describe the Pawan that is the origin of thought, imagination and emotions. Write 5 complete sentences about this Pawan that originates thoughts, imagination and emotions.

[PAWAN]

Namastay ji.
1)i am very happy today this a thought origin is from this pawan.
2)i having pain die to an accident. Painful emotion.
3)one day i will be enligtened Person...imagination.
4) i am very sad today ...its a painful emotions .
5) pawan likesxred roses so its a sweet emotions.
.regards
Pawan

[Kya]

Hi Pawan,



Experience mein iski evidence hai ki kuchh vichar aur feelings (pain, sadness, sweetness) sath saath aate hain. Experience mein is baat ki bhi evidence hai ki feelings sharir mein sensations ki tarah anubhav ki jaati hain. There are also preferences (for red roses) in experience.

1)i am very happy today this a thought origin is from this pawan.

2)i having pain die to an accident. Painful emotion.

3)one day i will be enligtened Person...imagination.

4) i am very sad today ...its a painful emotions .

5) pawan likesxred roses so its a sweet emotions.

Sharir in sab vicharon aur feelings, preferences, ke hone mein instrumental hai, iski indirect evidence science mein hai. Direct experience mein yah prove nahi kar sakte ki sharir thoughts, sensations, emotions ko produce karta hai, kyonki direct experience mein sharir khud sensations, sights, sounds, smells, thoughts aur imagination ke roop mein experience kiya jata hai. Yah sab aik doosare ko produce nahi karte. For example sar mein jo sensations hain vo feel hote hain, par sar ke sensations thoughts ko produce nahi karte etc.

Yeh bhi evidence experience mein hai ya science mein hai ki sans chalti hai sharir mein apne aap, khoon ka sanchaar hota hai apne aap, karonron cells roz marate hain aur naye banate hai, atom aur molecule (khana/hava/paani) andar aur baahar aate hain sharir ke, digestion hota hai, kidneys kaam karti hain, informations (thoughts, sounds, light, taste, smell) sharir aur uske envioronment mein exchange hoti hai. Kya yah sab apne aap nahi ho raha?

Thoughts, emotions, imagination bhi sharir ke aur environment ke interaction se apane aap ho rahe hain. Science kabhi nahi kahati ki sharir mein koi vyaki hai jo yah sab karta hai, experience mein bhi aisa koi vyakti nahi hai. Agar hota to ab tak mil jaata.

Ek ped(tree) ka udahran lein, usmein sooraj ki kirano, hava aur paani se ped ka bhojan banata hai, ped mein aur environment mein gases, water, minerals aur information ka exchange hota hai. Kya ped mein koi alag vyakti hai jo yah sab kar rahi hai?

Aapne jo kuchh bataya hai use aise bhi likha ja sakta hai:

1)i am very happy today this a thought origin is from this pawan. - There is happiness today this is a thought happening in this universe(or one movement, or totality, or vartaman, or any other word that is chosen - word does not change the experience) today.

2)i having pain die to an accident. Painful emotion. - There is pain die to an accident is a thought appearing with sensation and thought label pain comes up. Maybe images of accident also come up

3)one day i will be enligtened Person...imagination. - Thought of enlightened me appearing as imagination

4) i am very sad today ...its a painful emotions . - There is sadness, it is named and felt as painful.

5) pawan likesxred roses so its a sweet emotions. - There is a preference for red roses, there are thoughts of preference of roses in the past, and another thought and feeling 'it is sweet'

Those are only interpretations in the form of thought, one set written with an "I" word or "Pawan" and the other without the word "I" etc. When the word "I" is not used, does it change the actual experience? Does the actual experience need the "I" word to happen? Language is a tool to communicate. Language does not create the experience. Language appears as part of experience as thoughts, words.

Please do this exercise today, throughout the day, whenever a thought appears about Pawan or I or me doing or feeling something, say the same thought without using the words Pawan or I or me. Use the word Spiderman instead of I/me/Pawan. At the end of the day describe what is noticed.



Divya

[PAWAN]

Namastay ji.
Aaj kuch ajeeb sa laga instead of pawan ...Spiderman is doing all the work.it seems to me that i am standing. In a corner and aur dekh raha hu jo pawan sab kar raha hai...mera swal yeh hai shayed mai galat hu
1) yeh body apne aap sab kuch kar rahi hai..as if pawan is a robot..
2) what about five senses....jaise ki mai saans (breath) khud ke raha hu...like a machine .can i do it knowingly
3)i always start chasing thoughts...then start Bilding Puzzle..i mean what happen in the past or afraid about Future...how can i stop it.

Regards
Pawan

[Kya]

Hi Pawan,

Aaj kuch ajeeb sa laga instead of pawan ...Spiderman is doing all the work.it seems to me that i am standing. In a corner and aur dekh raha hu jo pawan sab kar raha hai...mera swal yeh hai shayed mai galat hu
1) yeh body apne aap sab kuch kar rahi hai..as if pawan is a robot..
2) what about five senses....jaise ki mai saans (breath) khud ke raha hu...like a machine .can i do it knowingly
3)i always start chasing can thoughts...then start Bilding Puzzle..i mean what happen in the past or afraid about Future...how i stop it.

Not just body but thinking, breathing, knowing is all happening on automatic. Is there a Pawan standing in a corner watching it? Is there a person getting all the senses? Or are the senses appearing to no one? If there is a stopping of breath after a thought “stop the breath” that is also without a doer. Is there any ownership in what is happening? Is there a knower of breath? Or just that breath is known at times. Is there a builder of thought puzzles? Or just the thought puzzles getting built? Is there some person that wants to stop it? Or is that wanting coming on its own to no one? Answer all the questions separately from present experience, not from memory. See what happens.


Regarding the question of suffering, being afraid, etc. For a few minutes, several times a day, try this exercise: Use a thought filter, if there is a thought of which you are not 100% sure that it is true, stop following it. If a thought is not 100% true, drop that line of thought. Don’t try to do it all day long, as work needs thinking and it is not practical to do so. But try is when there is worrying or fear or when there is free time. What is noticed?

Another thing that can be tried is to not label a feeling as good or bad, pleasant or unpleasant for a few minutes. What is noticed? Is any feeling by itself good or bad?

Divya

[PAWAN]

Namastay ji
I am trying to answer from direct experience but answers are coming from my memory. Can you please explain me what is direct experience or can we work on direct experience.
Regards
Pawan

[Kya]

Direct experience is the raw experience - colors, sounds, tastes, smells, sensations. It is the level of experience of cats, dogs and babies. Then there are thoughts.Thoughts put labels, concepts onto raw experience. A thought or concept or label is never the actual. Some thoughts point to raw experience. Some point to other thoughts. This is the area of make belief. A thought about another thought. "I" is such a thought. It points to other thoughts, concepts and mental images. "I" does not point to anything in raw experience. Look for what "I" points to. It points only to other thoughts, concepts. Memory is thought.

[PAWAN]

Namastay ji
Sorry for late reply..its true that body,thoughts,breathing all is happning automatic. There is no pawan as a Person standing and watching it.but sinetime i can see my thoughts how they are coming and going. ..NO one is getting all the senses, senses ..appearing to no one as pawan is only a story ..only question is do we need to master senses für survival proceed.there is no ownership , breath is there all the time..there is no one buliding Puzzle they are just there ,happening everytime.thoughts are just coming to no one.
Do i need to work on my five senses for survival proceed.
Regards
Pawan

[Kya]

Namaskar,

Sorry for late reply..

No problem.

its true that body,thoughts,breathing all is happning automatic. There is no pawan as a Person standing and watching it.

Yes. Was there ever a person watching it? Is there any separate thing standing apart and watching?

but sinetime i can see my thoughts how they are coming and going.

Thoughts come and go.
Is there anyone watching them come and go? Is there a thinker of thought?

..NO one is getting all the senses, senses ..appearing to no one as pawan is only a story ..

Yes.

only question is do we need to master senses für survival proceed.

Is there anyone who can do anything (like mastering the senses)?
Is there anyone surviving?

there is no ownership , breath is there all the time..

Yes.

there is no one buliding Puzzle they are just there ,happening everytime.

Yes.

thoughts are just coming to no one.

There it is – the answer to the question about thought above. Still, look, is there a thinker of thoughts and imagination?

Do i need to work on my five senses for survival proceed.

Look, is there an I that can master something? Is there a person controlling the senses?
Is there anyone there surviving?

The story of surviving in the past, is anyone doing it?

Again look in the DE (Direct Experience) not in thought.


Divya

[PAWAN]

Namastay ji

Was there ever a person watching it? Is there any separate thing standing apart and watching?

No there was ever Person watching everything to happen.

Thoughts come and go.
Is there anyone watching them come and go? Is there a thinker of thought?

Thought is just a thought its not positiv or negativ and dont have any meaning..its me who Interpret Sounds,visions .there is no thinker of thoughts.

Is there anyone who can do anything (like mastering the senses)?
Is there anyone surviving?

There is no one Who can master senses..bcs no one is there just story filled with charachters..

is there a thinker of thoughts and imagination?

No there is no thinker of thoughts...thoughts are there ...only thing is need not to follow them .

Look, is there an I that can master something? Is there a person controlling the senses?
Is there anyone there surviving?

The story of surviving in the past, is anyone doing it?

There is no I, Just desolved somewhere. No one can master anything.no one is surviving and controlling anything.
Regards
Pawan

[Kya]

Hi,

its me who Interpret Sounds,visions .

Is there a you that interprets sounds and visions?

No there is no thinker of thoughts...

Yes.

thoughts are there ...only thing is need not to follow them .

Is there anyone who decides to not follow thoughts? Is there anyone who needs to not follow thoughts?

There is no I, Just desolved somewhere.

Was there an I, a Pawan ever that dissolved?

No one can master anything.no one is surviving and controlling anything.

Yes.

Is there any me or I or Pawan at all?

Divya