The Gate

LU is focused guiding for seeing there is no real, inherent 'self' - what do you understand by this? By "no real, inherent 'self'" I understand that In reality, "I" the separate self do not exist. I, Me, My, Story are just thoughts arising in Silence, Nothingness like all other stuff arising in Nothingness. Whatever is perceived is not me. And the thought "I" and everything related to "I" is perceived but if we try we can never find a perceiver.

What are you looking for at LU? Sometimes I feel completely enlightened & sometimes I am confused again. Sometimes fearful thoughts about death, hell etc haunt me and sometimes I do not believe in my thoughts. Sometimes I feel one with what is and it seems like I am out of the territory of suffering and nothing negative can touch me. But when I am in a negative situation then my understanding does not help me anymore and then I suffer. I am here because I want help, I need answers to many questions. I need clarity and want to get rid of all kinds of confusion. I want to remain constantly liberated from all kinds of suffering. I need your guidance.

What do you expect from a guided conversation? From this guided conversation I expect to get enlightened and liberated from all kinds of doubts and suffering. I hope I will get answers to all kinds of my questions. I expect my guide to guide me step by step and help me to uncover the truth myself.

What is your experience in terms of spiritual practices, seeking and inquiry? I am seeking, meditating, doing spiritual practices & reading books for the last 5 to 6 years.

On a scale from 1 to 10, how willing are you to question any currently held beliefs about 'self?
10

Hi dear Jawad,
Welcome to the forum.

My name is Lubo and I can join you in this inquiry, if you are OK?

I hope I will get answers to all kinds of my questions. I expect my guide to guide me step by step and help me to uncover the truth myself.

Yes. that's how exactly this forum works. This is your investigation I can only point you with questions where to look to find the answer.
What are burnings questions that you want to see the answers?

Love
lubo

Hi Lubo!

I hope you are doing good.
 
Thanks for your response :-)
 

I can join you in this inquiry if you are OK?

Sure, why not?

Yes. that's how exactly this forum works.

Great.

This is your investigation I can only point you with questions where to look to find the answer.

Right. Sure Please.

What are burnings questions that you want to see the answers to?

1. Who am I?
2. What is God?
3. Where is God?
4. What is real & unreal?
5. What is life?
6. Why this life?
7. What is birth & death?
8. Who should I worship?
9. Is worshiping a God necessary?
10. Is there an afterlife?
11. What about hell & heaven?
12. What about Judgement day?
13. How do I become free from all kinds of fears?
14. How do I get rid of emotional & psychological suffering?
15. How do I get ultimate & absolute freedom?
16. How do I see the Truth completely?
17. How do I get free from the fear of my death?
18. Will I be judged & punished accordingly in the afterlife?
19. How do I get rid of the Ego?
20. How do I "Die before I die"?

There are many other questions hidden in the depth of my subconscious mind & they will emerge sequentially as we will move forward in this discussion.

Waiting for your response.

Thanks 

Hi Jawad,
Thanks for the respond and for these wonderful questions.

General, the answers of each question are obvious, just put aside the belief that there is separate entity that lives this "my life". Put aside this imagined owner of life and the answers are here already.

I'll try to point where to look for the answers:
1. Who am I? - Notice who want to know this? What if this one who ask doesn't exist at all?
Find it? Where is this one? Where is its exact point? Look every where like looking your keys.

2. What is God? Who want to know? What the words Non-dual, No-2 point to? Look around :)
3. Where is God? - The same questions :)

4. What is real & unreal? Mmm, how you explain this to 5 years old boy?

5. What is life? life is just a word that point to something. Look around all this is life. We can call it existence, reality, dream, pizza, candy, consciousness ...doesn't matter.

6. Why this life? - Mmm, Is there another one or this is story about? Is there a chooser what life to looks like? Is there someone who is not a life its self but separate from life and to whom life is happening? What this one will be if it is not a life itself?

7. What is birth & death? Is there something that is coming here and going ? What will be and where will come from? Or there is just this that appear like birth and dead? Is there someone who choose what will born or what will die or this is just what is happening to anyone? Don't go to believes and stories, look ?

8. Who should I worship? - This imagined me want to survive and escape from all This, what Is, by worshiping, but what if this one doesn't exist?

9. Is worshiping a God necessary? - What if there is nobody who will worshiping and to whom?

10. Is there an afterlife? - For whom? There is nobody even now?

11. What about hell & heaven? - Who will go and where ? there is nobody.

12. What about Judgement day? - for the "Me" every day is Judgement day, isn't it?

13. How do I become free from all kinds of fears? - Fear is protective mechanism. If you ignore all scary images and stories, notice what is behind the fear?

14. How do I get rid of emotional & psychological suffering? Does the sufferer be found?

15. How do I get ultimate & absolute freedom? - Just look where is this one who is not free? Or there is just freedom itself?

16. How do I see the Truth completely? - To whom thoughts are speaking to? What if there is nobody?

17. How do I get free from the fear of my death? Who is behind fear?

18. Will I be judged & punished accordingly in the afterlife? - There is no you already :)

19. How do I get rid of the Ego? - Who is asking? What if this one who ask is the story about me, Santa?

20. How do I "Die before I die" - This one who lives life is it real? Where is it?

Read it few times and write what is coming? Please answer questions in blue.

Much Love
lubo

Hi Lubo!

Thanks for the response and for these wonderful questions.

Most Welcome.

General, the answers to each question are obvious, just put aside the belief that there is a separate entity that lives this "my life". Put aside this imagined owner of life and the answers are here already.

If I do not exist then who you are talking to?

How do I put aside this belief if does not exist?

Who has this belief?

How do I know that "a separate entity that lives my life" is just a belief?

Who should know that it's just a belief?

Who is imagining this "illusory false self"?

In reality, if there is not a separate self then who wants the answers to these questions?

I'll try to point out where to look for the answers:

Thanks

Notice who wants to know this?

I want to know this.

What if this one who asks doesn't exist at all?

How can I ask questions without existing?

Not existing should look/feel like the state of before my birth. That's when I didn't exist at all.

Find it? Where is this one? Where is its exact point? Look everywhere like looking at your keys.

How do I find it if I do not exist at all?

Your question is like: "Jawad, you do not have eyeballs if you think you have eyeballs then look & find them in your direct experience".

I can not look for my eyeballs because those are the ones I am using to look. If I can not see my own eyeballs that do not mean that my eyeballs do not exist.

What do the words Non-dual, No-2 point to? Look around :)

Is it not just a belief like other believes?

4. What is real & unreal? Mmm, how do you explain this to 5 years old boy?

No. 1. A 5-year-old boy will not ask this question.
No. 2. It's a time waste to describe these concepts to a 5-year-old boy because he won't understand that.
No. 3. I do not know what is real or unreal that's why I asked you this question.  

6. Why this life? - Mmm, Is there another one or this is story about? Is there a chooser what life to looks like? Is there someone who is not a life its self but separate from life and to whom life is happening? What this one will be if it is not a life itself?

Is it not just another belief that Life chooses this life itself? How do I prove myself that there is not a separate God who is doing all this?

7. What is birth & death? Is there something that is coming here and going?

Yes, there are many things like sensations, sounds, thoughts.

What will be and where will come from?

Right now I can hear the chirping of sparrows that are coming from my window.

Or there is just "this" that appears like birth and death?

What do you mean by "this"? Sorry, what do you mean?

Is there someone who chooses what will born or what will die or this is just what is happening to anyone?

I did not choose to be born. What if God chooses what will born? I know God who creates creatures is just a piece of knowledge, memory, belief but how do I know & be sure if that knowledge is true or false?

8. Who should I worship? - This imagined me want to survive and escape from all This, what Is, by worshiping, but what if this one doesn't exist?

Who is Imagining this me? You are saying "this imagined me want to survive & escape". How an imagination itself can have its own wants & don't wants?

I do not want to worship anybody. I worship God because I am afraid that if I won't He will punish me in Hell.

If this imagined me doesn't exist then how it can have its own wants & don't wants?

9. Is worshiping a God necessary? - What if there is nobody who will worship and to whom?

How do I know that there is nobody and no God?

10. Is there an afterlife? - For whom? There is nobody even now?

I am here now. I am aware of my thoughts, sensations & my body.

11. What about hell & heaven? - Who will go and where? there is nobody.

I will go to Hell. I am here now. I am aware of my thoughts, sensations & my body.

12. What about Judgement day? - for the "Me" every day is Judgement day, isn't it?

Yes, True but I am talking about the Terryfying Judgment day when I am in front of all humans, God & Angels. How do I know that these beliefs do not have any truth? Why will prophets like Jesus, Muhammad etc say lie to the world?

13. How do I become free from all kinds of fears? - Fear is a protective mechanism. If you ignore all scary images and stories, notice what is behind the fear?

There is no fear without these beliefs but I can not get rid of these beliefs without knowing the authenticity of these beliefs.

14. How do I get rid of emotional & psychological suffering? Does the sufferer be found?

No, because the eyeball can not see itself but the eyeball still exists and feels pain when someone hurts the eyeball.

15. How do I get ultimate & absolute freedom? - Just look where is this one who is not free? Or there is just freedom itself?

I am here now. I am aware of my thoughts, sensations & my body.

16. How do I see the Truth completely? - To whom thoughts are speaking? What if there is nobody?

I am thinking. I am here the one who is aware of everything in my awareness.

17. How do I get free from the fear of my death? Who is behind fear?

Me & my beliefs.

18. Will I be judged & punished accordingly in the afterlife? - There is no you already :)

Then who you are talking to here? How do I know that I do not exist?

19. How do I get rid of the Ego? - Who is asking? What if this one who asks is the story about me, Santa?

I am asking the one who is thinking and aware of my thoughts. How do I get into depth about that?

20. How do I "Die before I die" - This one who lives life is it real? Where is it?

I am not sure if I am real or unreal but I am. And I am here.

Waiting for your response.

Thanks 

Hi dear Jawad,
Sorry for the delay.

I will be completely honest with you.
There are many spiritual beliefs. Fear.
I'm not sure what exactly you want - to find out that there is no I / me or to protect this imaginary me?
And that I become free from fear? To become a good religious person?
So, what do you want to find:
- That there is no "I"?
or
- improved "I"?

Please read the topic also "What Liberation Unleashed is not…"
https://www.liberationunleashed.com/about/faq/

Waiting for your response.

love
lubo

Hi Lubo!

Yes, Please be completely honest with me.

There are many spiritual beliefs. Fear.

Exactly.

I'm not sure what exactly you want

I explained what I want in my first post.

to find out that there is no I / me

Yes, I want to find out that.

or to protect this imaginary me?

I do not want to protect this imaginary me.

And that I become free from fear?

Yes, I want to become free from all kinds of fears as well.

To become a good religious person?

Yes, If I exist, and if that really matters.

So, what do you want to find:
- That there is no "I"?
or
- improved "I"?

- That there is no "I".

Please read the topic also "What Liberation Unleashed is not…"
https://www.liberationunleashed.com/about/faq/

I have already read it.

Waiting for your response.

Thanks

Nice,
thank you for that

- That there is no "I".

Let's begin with this quote from the forum
Is it difficult to see?
Yes and no. It is difficult, because it is very simple. The mind loves complexity and will gladly take any opportunity to distract itself with puzzles. If there is a sincere desire to know the truth and honestly look at direct experience, seeing the absence of self is quite easy.

Write from your own experience. It is impossible to overstate the importance of this; in order for any Direct Pointing session to be successful, it is your responsibility to examine your experience as it is, instead of resorting to speculation and theory-forming. The only way to see is to look for yourself..

According these quotes are there some questions or difficulties?
How to look? What Direct Experience is?
What is the weather outside? - You can remember , you can check on the phone or just look trough the window.
Direct Experience is to find what is really here, how exactly things are and describe what is seen, not what is known or what others says about this.
Is it clear?
Yes it is easy :)
Describe at Direct Experience -
What is really here - it is what can be found with 5 senses - colours and forms, sounds, smells, taste, sensations/feelings + thoughts but not content of a thought.
Why content of a thought is not real? Check at DE thought "Waterfall" - what is really here ? Is there a one drop of a water even created by this thought or there is just thought, only ? Waterfall is real or is imagination(content of a thought)

In the same way find what is real and what is imagination about thought "I think" -
Notice right now at DE What is really here?

Love
lubo

Nice,
thank you for that
- That there is no "I".
Let's begin with this quote from the forum

What about the questions I asked above?

In the same way, find what is real and what is imagination about thought "I think" -
Notice right now at DE What is really here?

Sorry what exactly your question is?

How can I look for myself in my direct experience because I am the one who is looking? For example, No matter how much an eyeball tries to find an eyeball in it's direct experience, it can not look itself in its direct experience, but that does not mean that eyeball does not exist. Likewise, if "I" can not find myself in my direct experience that does not mean that "I" do not exist.

If I do not exist then who should look its direct experience?

Who is aware of thoughts, sensations, sounds, smell, scene, colors, forms, taste? Is it not Me who is aware of all of these things?

Waiting for your response.

Thanks  

Hi Jawad,

If I do not exist then who should look its direct experience?

Ok. Let's clarify. This investigation is to find that I doesn't exist that there is no inherent self but not that I don't exist

For example, No matter how much an eyeball tries to find an eyeball in it's direct experience, it can not look itself in its direct experience, but that does not mean that eyeball does not exist.

yes and it is easy to find what you are not, aren't you?
Notice is there curiosity to investigate that there is no doer, thinker, watcher, owner of "my" life?
Is there a willingness to question all beliefs?
Or you are ready to fight for the beliefs and argue, instead to investigate and find what is real and what is not?


Love
lubo

Hi Lubo!

Thanks a lot for your response.

Ok. Let's clarify. This investigation is to find that I don't exist that there is no inherent self but not that I don't exist.

OK, Let's assume & believe that I exist and now we have to investigate this assumption & belief that If exist or not, and who am I? What is my nature? etc..

yes and it is easy to find what you are not, aren't you?

Exactly.

Notice is there curiosity to investigate that there is no doer, thinker, watcher, owner of "my" life?

Yes, I have a very deep curiosity to investigate that, and my last 30 years of seeking is proof that How much curiosity I have to know that.

Is there a willingness to question all beliefs?

Yes, there is & I am doing that for many years.

Or you are ready to fight for the beliefs and argue, instead to investigate and find what is real and what is not?

I am not here to fight & argue for my beliefs.

I am here to know myself. Who am I? What am I? what is real and unreal.

Waiting for your response.

Thanks


 

Hi Jawad,
Thanks for the replay.

I am not here to fight & argue for my beliefs.

Wonderful.Thanks.

I wrote this

Ok. Let's clarify. This investigation is to find that I doesn't exist that there is no inherent self but not that I don't exist

But you quote something else

Ok. Let's clarify. This investigation is to find that I don't exist that there is no inherent self but not that I don't exist.

Why?

OK, Let's assume & believe that I exist and now we have to investigate this assumption & belief that If exist or not, and who am I? What is my nature? etc..

Here we aren't investigate assumption & belief but looking what is real and what is assumed & believed, is it clear?

I am here to know myself. Who am I? What am I? what is real and unreal.

I cant help you to know yourself or to find who are you or what are you, because the eye cannot see the eye, OK?
But yes what is real and what is not is easy to be found

Are you ready to stop speaking and searching and start looking and finding?
I wrote you in previous posts how to look and what Direct Experience is. Read it again.

And notice at DE what are you doing precisely in order to think?

I expect your honest investigation but not theoretical knowing, understanding, assumptions, beliefs and etc.
If your answer is not from looking but just sharing thoughts I cannot help you, we can stop here.

Much love
lubo

Hi Lubo!

I hope you are doing well. 

Thanks a lot for your response. 

I wrote this
"Ok. Let's clarify. This investigation is to find that I doesn't exist that there is no inherent self but not that I don't exist"
But you quote something else:
"Ok. Let's clarify. This investigation is to find that I don't exist that there is no inherent self but not that I don't exist."
Why?

I did not change anything. I think it's my Grammer Correction application. I have installed an application that proofreads all kinds of text and fixes the spelling & grammatical errors automatically. So I think the app changed the grammar & spelling of your text.

Here we aren't investigating assumption & belief but looking at what is real and what is assumed & believed, is it clear?

Yes.

I can't help you to know yourself or to find who are you or what are you, because the eye cannot see the eye, OK?
But yes what is real and what is not is easy to be found

Ok. Right.

Are you ready to stop speaking and searching and start looking and finding?

Yes. I am ready but what do you want me to look and find for?

And notice at DE what are you doing precisely in order to think?

I just noticed from my DE and concluded that I do not have to do something specific in order to think. I just think whenever I want.

I expect your honest investigation but not theoretical knowing, understanding, assumptions, beliefs and etc.
If your answer is not from looking but just sharing thoughts I cannot help you, we can stop here.

I understand and respect what you are saying. And I am doing my best. But if you will stop helping me then who will help me? Will I remain in bondage forever?

Waiting for your response. 

Thanks

Hi dear Jawad,
I want to share that English is not my native, what about you?

I understand and respect what you are saying. And I am doing my best. But if you will stop helping me then who will help me? Will I remain in bondage forever?

Thank you very much for this. I also will do my best to help you to see that there is no you who is in bondage, already. You are completely innocent, accepted and loved.
Just keep in this way look and describe with simple words what is found.
You are doing well :)

Go to work:

And notice at DE what are you doing precisely in order to think?
I just noticed from my DE and concluded that I do not have to do something specific in order to think. I just think whenever I want.

Look this word - "concluded" - this word point to thoughts.
"I do not have to do something specific in order to think." - if there is You who is thinking it will be easy to find and describe how exactly you make this?
1. Is there process of thinking, process of making thoughts? one word, then another word or how exactly you make a thought?
2. Do you know what thought you make before it appear?

Look again and again, whole day.
and describe what is found at DE. No conclusions, logic and other thoughts. just words that point to row experiences.
If there is something to worship - then worship this.

Much love
Lubo

Hi Lubo!

I hope you are doing well.

Thanks a lot for your response.

I want to share that English is not my native, what about you?

Same with me. English is not my native as well. My native language is Urdu.

I also will do my best to help you to see that there is no you who is in bondage, already. You are completely innocent, accepted, and loved.

Thanks a lot :-)

Just keep in this way look and describe with simple words what is found.
You are doing well :)

Right Sure.

"I do not have to do something specific in order to think." - if there is You who is thinking it will be easy to find and describe how exactly you make this?

Not Sure.

1. Is there a process of thinking, a process of making thoughts? one word, then another word, or how exactly do you make a thought?

As soon as I intend to think something, thought just instantly appear. I can not see any kind of process of making thoughts.

2. Do you know what thought you make before it appear?

I can not know my thoughts before they appear.

Look again and again, the whole day.
and describe what is found at DE. No conclusions, logic, and other thoughts. just words that point to row experiences.

Sure. I will spend the whole next day looking at my thoughts in my direct experience and then will get back to you.

If there is something to worship - then worship this.

Sorry, what does that mean?

Thanks