The Gate

LU is focused guiding for seeing there is no real, inherent 'self' - what do you understand by this?
It's quite obvious - but not at first to logical mind.

What are you looking for at LU?
People experienced the same thing and living at peace. Sharing experiences and meeting people who's been on this. Discussing about things after life has settled down and what kind of life is now and experiences after "that".

What do you expect from a guided conversation?
Just asking some help if one finds being stuck. Or guidance how to help others if possible. Because this is such a profound change just to discuss what to expect - how has people's life changed, what happened to relationships, financial situation etc.

What is your experience in terms of spiritual practices, seeking and inquiry?
Got very strong spiritual experience on the beginning of the year, felt that love since then. Done also a lot of Sedona, NLP, EFT, Theta etc different kind of mental training techniques. Looking for to live fully :)

On a scale from 1 to 10, how willing are you to question any currently held beliefs about 'self?
9

Hi thefin,

Good name, like the end of a movie. :)

So, would love to hear more about the "very strong spiritual experience on the beginning of the year".

Best wishes,
John

Hi,

Yes, the name relates to Finland :)

But the experience: I had really hard times with my company and though "nothing to loose" and took hypnotherapy session. There I "met" higher self, which itself was not experience I was expecting but just relaxed hypnotherapy session. The very next morning I decided to try that by myself: I sat down, closed my eyes and asked higher self to come. What came was very bright light and I felt enormous love, grace and everything together. Me, who is very logical person and wants to theorize everything, that was weird. That love and grace was so huge, that me who never cries, sat on the chair and spent crying one hour. I just felt so blessed. I felt that grace and love almost 3 weeks, my fears flew away, I just felt that love all the time. And feel it quite well also today. Who can live on bliss all the time :) And for continuum to that I found Ilona's book - and everything collapsed away. Almost everything - some cleaning of course needed...

Now just wondering what's next or just life.

Regards

But the experience: I had really hard times with my company and though "nothing to loose" and took hypnotherapy session. There I "met" higher self, which itself was not experience I was expecting but just relaxed hypnotherapy session. The very next morning I decided to try that by myself: I sat down, closed my eyes and asked higher self to come. What came was very bright light and I felt enormous love, grace and everything together. Me, who is very logical person and wants to theorize everything, that was weird. That love and grace was so huge, that me who never cries, sat on the chair and spent crying one hour. I just felt so blessed. I felt that grace and love almost 3 weeks, my fears flew away, I just felt that love all the time. And feel it quite well also today. Who can live on bliss all the time :) And for continuum to that I found Ilona's book - and everything collapsed away. Almost everything - some cleaning of course needed...

Now just wondering what's next or just life.

A lovely and powerful experience - thank you for sharing it with me.

Yes, too much bliss is not healthy. :)

So, could you share more about 'And for continuum to that I found Ilona's book - and everything collapsed away. Almost everything - some cleaning of course needed...'

Many thanks,
john

You're welcome.

After that experience when I though that that was it, realization from that book there is no self came like deep inner relief, than went on 2 days. That whole structure on the mind collapsed. Because all that had no owner anymore, all that just faded away. That collapsing/unfolding continues every day, but not so much intensity anymore. You just are and things/feelings come and fade away. No need to resist them.

How about you?

After that experience when I though that that was it, realization from that book there is no self came like deep inner relief, than went on 2 days. That whole structure on the mind collapsed. Because all that had no owner anymore, all that just faded away. That collapsing/unfolding continues every day, but not so much intensity anymore. You just are and things/feelings come and fade away. No need to resist them.

Ok, and did you find much difference in everyday life?

Best wishes,
John

A lot indeed. e.g. worries gone away - I just can't access them because almost all negative feelings vanished. Something left to remain about humanity :) Presence of beingness is just a thought and it's here (usually). But more importantly life is easier and more enjoyable.

A lot indeed. e.g. worries gone away - I just can't access them because almost all negative feelings vanished. Something left to remain about humanity :) Presence of beingness is just a thought and it's here (usually). But more importantly life is easier and more enjoyable.

If you were to describe how your perspective shifted (or whatever language you'd prefer) to someone who didn't know too much about it, what would you say?

Thanks,
john

I would say, that it's possible to live worry-free: there's such a huge feeling or presence behind you or inside you, that will flush away all your personality, all your troubles. You start to see and experiencing life from that perspective and everything goes fine because you're feeling good most of the time. LOA in action.

I don't know exactly how to teach people to get there: I asked help while in trouble and got much more than expected on a way I never couldn't believe exists.

I would say, that it's possible to live worry-free: there's such a huge feeling or presence behind you or inside you, that will flush away all your personality, all your troubles. You start to see and experiencing life from that perspective and everything goes fine because you're feeling good most of the time. LOA in action.

I don't know exactly how to teach people to get there: I asked help while in trouble and got much more than expected on a way I never couldn't believe exists.

Thank you. You're a believer in LOA?

Would not say believer: meant if saying for persons what's happening that if you're in good mood this results good things in your life. This fits to concept of LOA.

I dont't care about those concepts overall.

What kind of is your path?

Would not say believer: meant if saying for persons what's happening that if you're in good mood this results good things in your life. This fits to concept of LOA.

I dont't care about those concepts overall.

What kind of is your path?

Ok, thanks.

Now, what response shows up with these two exercises...

Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was
there ever?

Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from
your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.


My path is not relevant here, it's all about you. :)

Best wishes,
John

Thanks for the excercise:

Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was
there ever?
- I can't find it. Physically, no. There are some events, where is some feeling attached - there is feeling but not "me". Was there ever: that confuses me. People can call me with my name, but I don't have access to events. Who is living this life? I don't feel separation to other people, just balance. Sometimes just pure love. It's really hard to identify to these happenings - feels like they belong to someone other but mind says that I was there. And at the same time they're just events without meaning. There's no-one there but there are people there. Based on logic there was sometimes I, but based on what I experience there never was.

Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from
your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.
- I see illusion to be just thought energy based on nothing - I has no start, it has started from nothing just by imagining it. And dissolves the same way: just realizing it came from nothing and dissolves to nothing. This illusion works I think starting to make human to fit to human life - there's needed a person and it will be created.

Ok, thank you. A couple more... :)

How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue?
Please report from the past few days.

What was the last bit that pushed you over; made you look?


Thanks,
John

So many fancy questions :)

How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue?
Please report from the past few days.
- I would consider THIS starting since realizing there's no me. I've been floating and just exploring life. Earlier the difference being on love and grace and then "normal" was bigger - now this gap is going smaller and smaller. Just exploring peacefully life.
The level of being present grows all the time.

What was the last bit that pushed you over; made you look?
- The inner realization without even understanding it that there's no me. Look after that and found it being true.