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[Noselfplzthx]

Hi Jess, a couple of guides had questions for you to investigate:

Guide 1:

What is doing the inquiry and what will cross the gate when all "unfinished business" is seen through? What controls attention as in "paying closer attention" to stuff?

Guide 2:

What keeps you from simply saying you don't know, and have no idea how anything works?

awareness is aware of the inquiry/unfinished business and attention

That’s what I’ve been trying to say! I don’t know and have no idea And am fine with that:)

Everything feels like it’s unfolding and I have awareness. It’s the question around no self that keeps me thinking I’m supposed to experience something else “more clear” conceptually I know that I am flow I am in flow I am awareness and there’s no I that needs a construct, definition etc. it feels like I just need to drop anything that feels like a self/I doing/controlling which comes pretty instantaneously for the most part. Thank you in advance!

[Elad]

Guide1 has these follow up questions:

1) In DE is awareness separate from the experience (e.g. the inquiry)? Are there two - on one side awareness and on the other experience? For example, focus on a sensation. Where is the border that shows where one (awareness) ends and the other (sensation) starts? How exactly is the experience known by awareness - before, during, after? Is awareness a container of some kind with limits and properties? You should be able to observe that if there are two "things". Is there a time when there is no experience at all (no matter how subtle), where you can observe only awareness? If you focus just on awareness - what is there? Can you describe it? Remember, anything that cannot be directly experienced through the senses is considered merely a thought, a mental construct, an assumption, an abstraction. If you found a sensory experience that is called
‘awareness’, what makes that "you"? Is there anything in DE but the experience/ what is? Are there knower and known or just knowingknown? LOOK don't remember teachings or others' experiences (don't think)!


2) If you as awareness are doing the knowing you must be in control of attention. Watch what focus does. Focus on focusing, attention itself. Do you move it, or it moves by itself? Hold focus on breath - see how it moves to thoughts, sensations, feelings, sounds. Is this something you control? What moves attention? Can anything be found that moves attention? Is thought in control of attention? Is attention any different than labelling the experience/what is aka thought?


Please take good time with these to REALLY LOOK. Okay? Many people stop these processes prematurely, and the confusion soon comes back.

[Elad]

Jess, how are things moving, how does the freedom unfold?

And what comes up when looking at the questions from guide 1?

If at this point these questions feel unhelpful, and it feels most helpful to just "rest as mystery, rest as not knowing, allow the flow to teach", feel free to let me know... 🙌

[Noselfplzthx]

Hi thank you!

I did attempt to follow the questions sent but it felt a bit complicated to follow like a lot to take in and then I found myself thinking too much about it:) I’ve been observing “just walking”, and a few times have just observed that “I’m” not doing anything.

The rest of the time I’ve been attempting to rest in just mystery and allowing the flow to teach. I’ve been finding a lot of habits, programming, shadow stuff and catching it and having more awareness and discipline around making a choice. Other than that I feel like I need to just surrender the seeker. I’m open to any other guidance or I could just let go.

[Elad]

Hi, good stuff, good you follow intuition.

Sounds like more guidence would be appropriate.

Let's look more if anything at all is in the control of "you" or experienced by a "you".

Check out seeing.

1) Close eyes and open them: Is there a you that controls and experiences what collors and forms are seen OR it just happens and is experienced automatically

2) Sit somewhere, a park or a cafe. Just notice how the eyes move around in the space, shifting focus. Is there a you that chooses and controls that, or it just happens?

Remember the key to this is to keep it very simple. Observe without expectations of anything special (it's not) like a curious child would.

[Elad]

Also, maybe check if there are fears or expectations about what will be different if it is seen with full clarity that no separate self exist?

[Noselfplzthx]

1) Close eyes and open them: Is there a you that controls and experiences what collors and forms are seen OR it just happens and is experienced automatically

2) Sit somewhere, a park or a cafe. Just notice how the eyes move around in the space, shifting focus. Is there a you that chooses and controls that, or it just happens?

No me that controls. Just happens automatically.

Also, maybe check if there are fears or expectations about what will be different if it is seen with full clarity that no separate self exist?

Yes. Confusion followed by acceptance of confusion 😊

[Elad]

No me that controls. Just happens automatically.

Right!

Now look at the sense of awareness or knowing:

1) Can awareness be found separate from experience and the whole?

2) Can awareness be generated or controlled by a separate self at all, or it is just there by itself, as part of experience?

Yes. Confusion followed by acceptance of confusion 😊

1) Is there an expectation that seeing through self means there will not be confusion?

2) Is that a truth from direct experience, or just a fantasy?

3) Could that fantasy get in the way of peace and clarity?

4) How would it be without such an expectation, just accepting that a movement between confusion and clarity is a normal part of existence?

[Noselfplzthx]

Thank you so much for your guidance. I’m feeling really stuck with all of this and not sure it’s right for me it’s just not clicking :(

[Elad]

Hi! This process can get uncertain and difficult. This is normal and does not necessarily indicate a problem, sometimes it indicates being closer. Let's see if we can help you unpack it.

WHAT are you not sure if is right for you?

WHAT are you stuck in?

Does it feel like the problem is more with understanding the questions or with something emotional?

Could this be a fear of let in that separate self and separate awareness is only an illusion?

[Noselfplzthx]

WHAT are you not sure if is right for you?

This process feels overwhelming like I can follow the instructions of the questions and I “see” I am not the doer in the excercises. And then it feels like to revisit the questions I over think

WHAT are you stuck in?

Identification with the self (mind/body/ego)

Does it feel like the problem is more with understanding the questions or with something emotional?

Maybe both. I can tell my ego does not like not being able to figure out and understand. It makes me feel overwhelmed trying to practice what the questions are asking and staying “there” … isnt.

Could this be a fear of let in that separate self and separate awareness is only an illusion?

Could be. I can’t seem to really experience that though.

[Elad]

Could it be you are still imagining that "you" will get this?

Could any illusory self ever see that it is an illusory self?

Could what is just judgemental/fearful beliefs ever be more then just judgemental/fearful beliefs?

Could what you imagine to be you ever wake up and be more then something imagined??

See what happens with these questions... See if there is openness to them or if there is openness to see the resistence to them without resistence to it, as just a natural selfless phenomena...

If you want more I have two suggestions:

1) Play with the ChatGPT TheWork bot. It is based on Byron Katies the work. It can be really useful. Try talking with it about where you feel stuck or what is stressful to you and see what happens.

2) Ask Kento Hori for the live session. Maybe at this point a live session will help. I also do live sessions, but clinical psychologist is my profession and for me live session are for pay, whereas Kento offer them for free.

I am here for you to continue the process here in parallel.

[Elad]

The Work bot:

https://chatgpt.com/g/g-tRFAZymCM-the-work

[Noselfplzthx]

That’s a great prompt, thank you. Maybe working live with you would be best.

[Elad]

That’s a great prompt, thank you. Maybe working live with you would be best.

Send me an email to eladexplore1111@gmail.com and we can appoint a live session there.