Awakent

[Abner]

You say:
"They are really for sinking into it"
I dont know what the they is that you are reffering to...and sinking into what?

Im just not understanding today.
Cant give it any more thought today.
I need a fresh start..so I will go over everything tomorrow, and get back to you.

[Verananda]

yes, take a fresh start !

"They are really for sinking into it"

meant: the questions I gave to you are really for sinking into it (the questions).
means don't rush over it but let them unfold ..... that needs some time.

Love Ve

[Abner]

Hi, Ve
A NEW DAY

I am going to answer your questions, and repeat
some.
I dont find a seperate I that controls all..just thought.
I never had a non I thought until recently.
By quieting the mind I feel less thoughts come in and at a slower pace.
The thought is that the "mind has slowed down".
Question: are experiences only a product of the
5 senses?
When my body feels hunger, the thought comes
"I am hungry".
I know that I am breathing by feeling my breath go in & out. I feel my breath going in and I feel my
lungs filling & then deflating as I breath out.
I can not experience what is not there.
I can experience...not breathing by holding my breath. I then feel no movement.

[Abner]

Be well, Ab

[Abner]

Hi, Ve
You ask "me" questions and a "me" or an"I"
"think" about it and reply or is it just "thinking"
happining??

[Abner]

To whom are you asking the questions?
And who will answer?

[Abner]

I was reading anothers posts, on The Gate.
They talk of "fear". Although I dont outwouldly
feel it...I inwouldly suspect it!

[Verananda]

Hi Abner

good morning from europe!

I never had a non I thought until recently.

what is a "non I thought"?

By quieting the mind I feel less thoughts come in and at a slower pace.
The thought is that the "mind has slowed down".

has someone qieted the mind or has it happened?

Question: are experiences only a product of the 5 senses?

That was not exactly my question .....
my one was: "can you realy find something other in experience than the seen, heared, smelled, sensed/felt, tasted?"
This is a question tht points to:Look in your experience now!

Your version of the question leads to thinking about and producing a mental answer.
Do you see the difference?

When my body feels hunger, the thought comes "I am hungry".

Do you find "body" and "hunger" in direct experience?
or is it just sensation that gets a lable "body" and "hunger"?

I know that I am breathing by feeling my breath go in & out. I feel my breath going in and I feel my
lungs filling & then deflating as I breath out.

Do you find "breathing" and "lungs", deflating an inflating in the pure experience?
or is it just sensation that gets a lable ....?

You ask "me" questions and a "me" or an"I" "think" about it and reply or is it just "thinking" happining??

good question. what is your experience?

To whom are you asking the questions? And who will answer?

Don't get philosophical .... stay with experience! ;-)

I was reading anothers posts, on The Gate.

Its good to stay just in this enquiry and YOUR experiences!

Love Ve

[Abner]

Hi, Ve
Thank you for taking so much time to help me!!!

A non I thought is a thought that comes to you
by itself without a you doing it.
I "guess" there is no I quieting the mind.
It is just a thought appearing.
You said: that was not exactly my question.
I know that...It was "my" question that I was posing to you!
I dont know if you can find other in experience,
other than the 5 senses...see my question.
Im having a hard time with (what is, what is not)
experience.
You ask, if I see the difference. I dont see the difference..Im having trouble. It just isnt clear.
As for body and hunger...Im not sure
As for breathing and lungs...It would be easy for me to say they are sensations. Thoughts, just a label, but Im not sure.
I guess that it is just thinking happening.

Im glad that this is not a test!
Like yesterday, Im confused!

I wont look at other posts anymore.
Be, well...Ab

[Verananda]

A non I thought is a thought that comes to you by itself without a you doing it.

ok. so then, what is a "I thought"?

I "guess" there is no I quieting the mind. It is just a thought appearing.

why guessing?
look in your experience if you can find something and then tell me if and what you found.
If you donT find anything, tell me that.
its realy simple!

You said: that was not exactly my question.
I know that...It was "my" question that I was posing to you!

well I'm not here to answer questions.
I do pointing so that you can see by your self.
So please just try to answer my qustion!

I dont know if you can find other in experience, other than the 5 senses...see my question.

I don't know is a mental answer. I am interested in what you do experience! Just describe it!

Im having a hard time with (what is, what is not) experience.

yea, I see it. You are doing very good and you are on a very fast track.
maybe it is good to slow down a bit, sit with my answeres a bit longer to realy figure out what you find out.
That needs some time! It is a process. Don't rush through it!
And sorry for beeing a bit strikt an insistant in this post, but it is realy existential for this enquiry to point again and again back to your experience here and now and not to give quick answers!

You ask, if I see the difference. I dont see the difference..Im having trouble. It just isnt clear.
As for body and hunger...Im not sure
As for breathing and lungs...It would be easy for me to say they are sensations. Thoughts, just a label, but Im not sure.

Take time. Look in your experience.
reread my last post. I almost put a pointer concerning the "differenes" in it.
don't think about the answeres.
LOOK in your experience here and now.
very simple.

I wont look at other posts anymore.

great :-)

And I want you to be with all these pointers and my answer for at least 24 hours before you post your reply!
ok?

much Love
Ve

[Abner]

Hi, Ve
Its obvious, an I thought is one that the "I" takes
credit for.
I say "I guess" because I really dont know.
I didnt find anything.
You said: "well Im not here to answer questions".
Did you really mean that I could never ask a question?
And yes that is a question.
Unfortunatly, I dont experience anything different
then before.
Be well,...Ab

[Verananda]

Hi Awakent,

glad to hear you :-)

A non I thought is a thought that comes to you by itself without a you doing it.
ok. so then, what is a "I thought"?
Its obvious, an I thought is one that the "I" takes credit for.

What is this "I" that takes credit for or is not doing it?
What does it mean "It is obvious"? What is the experience?
How does this I doing it (taking credit for)?
Look what is realy there in experience!

I say "I guess" because I really dont know.I didnt find anything.

Well then "I didnt find anything"is enough, because it is the experience.
Then it is good to look again and again for some time to "stabilize" this new view instead of "guessing or thinking if it would be same next time/tomorrow/...".
"Do you find an I that is quieting the mind"

You said: "well Im not here to answer questions".
Did you really mean that I could never ask a question?

No I did not say that.
You can ansk any question.
But what I will do is pointing back to you.
My answers wouldn't help you to see truth.
It would hold you in the modus of beliefing and thinking instead of looking.

Unfortunatly, I dont experience anything different then before.

what do you expect?

Love Ve

[Abner]

Hi, Ve
This I is just a thought
It is obvious that you beleive you are the doer
It takes credit by saying "I did it".
It ( only) apears that there is an I quieting the mind.
I expect to see that I am not the doer and see that my thoughts are not the "thing".
Be well, Ab

[Verananda]

This I is just a thought
It is obvious that you beleive you are the doer
It takes credit by saying "I did it".

is there anything in here, anything "obvious", that is not "thought"?
any kind of experience beyond thought?

I expect to see that I am not the doer

you looked for the doer and you found just thought, right?
so there is no doer execpt the thought of "I am doing"?
is that what you found or is there anything else/additional?

and see that my thoughts are not the "thing".

what "thing"?

Love Ve

[Abner]

Hi, Ve
No, it is just thought
All I found was thought...correct!
Only the thought...I am doing.
Nothing else.
The thing that I am taking credit for.
The thing that is happening.
Be well...Ab