No comment, no conclusion

[adilerten]

Where is this self ?
Is there any ?
Where is this sense of self ?
Is there any ?
Where is the responsibility ?
Is there any ?
Where would you like us to look more if you like ?
Is there any ?
Are you ready for final questions ?
Are you ready ?
😂

The self is nowhere to be found. There is no self.
The sense of self is just a thought.
I don't understand the question about responsibility !
I think I know how to look but I forget.
Yes I'm ready...there are thoughts of trepidation. I still want my hand holding.

Thank you Adil. Love Sara

Yes I'm ready...there are thoughts of trepidation. I still want my hand holding.

I am here and always will be for you Sara..
We can work more if you like us to until the end of non existent time :)
It is ok for me :)

I don't understand the question about responsibility !

If thoughts are random and everything is arising itself randomly..

Do you have any responsibilty for anything ?


Sending much love..

[Sara]

If thoughts are random and everything is arising itself randomly..

Do you have any responsibilty for anything ?

No! it is such a relief to realise that, as a tendency has been to feel overly responsible for everything that happens because of course I thought the world revolved around "me". How grandiose!

Something happened yesterday where a friend became very upset about a situation and whilst feeling for her and not being uncaring, there was clear seeing of the unreality of the whole thing. That it was illusory. I really saw that. There was and never has been her nor the person she was upset about.

Thank you for the assurance of being able to continue this work. Can we do that for now?

Love Sara.

[adilerten]

If thoughts are random and everything is arising itself randomly..

Do you have any responsibilty for anything ?

No! it is such a relief to realise that, as a tendency has been to feel overly responsible for everything that happens because of course I thought the world revolved around "me". How grandiose!

Something happened yesterday where a friend became very upset about a situation and whilst feeling for her and not being uncaring, there was clear seeing of the unreality of the whole thing. That it was illusory. I really saw that. There was and never has been her nor the person she was upset about.

Thank you for the assurance of being able to continue this work. Can we do that for now?

Love Sara.

Sure there is no responsibilty over things cannot be controlled :)

Something happened yesterday where a friend became very upset about a situation and whilst feeling for her and not being uncaring, there was clear seeing of the unreality of the whole thing. That it was illusory. I really saw that. There was and never has been her nor the person she was upset about.

Yes Sara
It is just the movie..
Theather is being played and that's ok.
There is the play playing itself.
Life is lifing..

Thank you for the assurance of being able to continue this work. Can we do that for now?

Can you tell me what would you like us to do more ?
I could not understand ?

[adilerten]

Sit down and relax for 10 mins.

Observe this focus of attention... see how it wanders. It simply focusses on whatever happens in the moment.

Now it might focus on thought. You might even "get lost in thought"... Did you decide to get lost in thought? Or did it simply happen?

When "you" come back to present moment experiencing, did you control how/when this happened?

Can you control thought any more than you can control sound, can you control the focus on thought any more then the focus on sound?

Or is this simply a constant flow, a constant change and movement..?

Answer these and then go deeper..

.....

Then look at what is under the thought layers..

Yes there are layers of thought sensation etc.

But what is letting all these stories, sensations..

What is there embracing all thoughts all sensations..

Without thinking try to see the nameless shapeless openness..

Like a light that turns the film stripe a movie..

Just remember that same thing is aware of it self.

This is not for answering.. It is an imagination for you to see that there is no self here..

Simply sit for 10min or so and observe. Note what you find.

Sending love.

[adilerten]

Sit down and relax for 10 mins.

Observe this focus of attention... see how it wanders. It simply focusses on whatever happens in the moment.

Now it might focus on thought. You might even "get lost in thought"... Did you decide to get lost in thought? Or did it simply happen?

When "you" come back to present moment experiencing, did you control how/when this happened?

Can you control thought any more than you can control sound, can you control the focus on thought any more then the focus on sound?

Or is this simply a constant flow, a constant change and movement..?

Answer these and then go deeper..

.....

Then look at what is under the thought layers..

Yes there are layers of thought sensation etc.

But what is letting all these stories, sensations..

What is there embracing all thoughts all sensations..

Without thinking try to see the nameless shapeless openness..

Like a light that turns the film stripe a movie..

Just remember that same thing is aware of it self.

This is not for answering.. It is an imagination for you to see that there is no self here..

Simply sit for 10min or so and observe. Note what you find.

Sending love.

[Sara]

Now it might focus on thought. You might even "get lost in thought"... Did you decide to get lost in thought? Or did it simply happen?

When "you" come back to present moment experiencing, did you control how/when this happened?

Can you control thought any more than you can control sound, can you control the focus on thought any more then the focus on sound?

Or is this simply a constant flow, a constant change and movement..?

I very often get lost in thought - I don't decide to do this - it simply happens.

When "I' come back to present moment experiencing, that's not something that "I" can control - it just happens.

If I can't control thought or the focus of thought - or control coming back to present moment experiencing, this has implications for meditating and also for this work I've been doing with you. I've wanted to continue the work and been reluctant to let go because I'm waiting to not get "lost in thought" and just see clearly 24/7 but as you've said before, once you've seen the illusion of Santa, it's not like to have to keep reminding yourself of that, you just know it. And I guess that is where I'm at with "no self" but just working out the implications.

It is simply a constant flow, a constant change and movement.

I am ready to let go of your help and support if you think that time has come.

I'm looking forward to doing the other exercise you sent me.

Love Sara

[adilerten]

Now it might focus on thought. You might even "get lost in thought"... Did you decide to get lost in thought? Or did it simply happen?

When "you" come back to present moment experiencing, did you control how/when this happened?

Can you control thought any more than you can control sound, can you control the focus on thought any more then the focus on sound?

Or is this simply a constant flow, a constant change and movement..?

I very often get lost in thought - I don't decide to do this - it simply happens.

When "I' come back to present moment experiencing, that's not something that "I" can control - it just happens.

If I can't control thought or the focus of thought - or control coming back to present moment experiencing, this has implications for meditating and also for this work I've been doing with you. I've wanted to continue the work and been reluctant to let go because I'm waiting to not get "lost in thought" and just see clearly 24/7 but as you've said before, once you've seen the illusion of Santa, it's not like to have to keep reminding yourself of that, you just know it. And I guess that is where I'm at with "no self" but just working out the implications.

It is simply a constant flow, a constant change and movement.

I am ready to let go of your help and support if you think that time has come.

I'm looking forward to doing the other exercise you sent me.

Love Sara

Thanks dear for the answers..

Yes. A control is not there. Some movement happens but it is not because of you. It is the flow.
We can work more dear, don't hesitate to ask for more i am here for you..

Just tell me let's go on looking, we go on until this sinks in..

Sending much love.

[Sara]

Dear Adil,

Let's go on looking then.

Thanks and love Sara

[adilerten]

Ok Sara..

With pleasure..

Please tell me what is not clear from these topics for us to look more..

. expectations / fear / resistance
. thoughts (general & content)
. control + decisions + choice + cause and effect + free will
. body
. time & memory

[Sara]

Please tell me what is not clear from these topics for us to look more..

. expectations / fear / resistance
. thoughts (general & content)
. control + decisions + choice + cause and effect + free will
. body
. time & memory

Expectations - an expectation that any change/realisation would be something huge and momentous rather than a more gradual seeing.
Nothing coming up re fear or resistance at present.
Thoughts - Occasionally doubting? Is this really how it is? Am I understanding correctly?
Can you say more about cause and effect? I am still thinking along the lines of actions having consequences.
OK with the rest - feels clear.

Thank you, love Sara

[adilerten]

I asked these for you to see which fields we must go on looking Sara ;)

Expectations - an expectation that any change/realisation would be something huge and momentous rather than a more gradual seeing.

Fo expectations:
There has never been a separate self, so life goes on as life always has. It is only thought that suggests life needs to improve and that there are good and bad things in life. There is no one/no thing controlling how life unfolds as life unfolds spontaneously from moment to moment.
So expectations are future bound and nothing can happen in an imaginary future.

Thoughts - Occasionally doubting? Is this really how it is? Am I understanding correctly?

We can always point to LOOKING instead of thinking. So thoughts are the least important part of our work.

Colors+Sound+Sensations are all we LOOK at. :)

Can you say more about cause and effect? I am still thinking along the lines of actions having consequences.

Sure dear when you look at things with the belief of time it may appear like actions having consequences..
You can rather see this as a pattern..A connected memory (thought) of seeming events..
Where all actions and seemingly consequences tied together..
A thought arises and collates all these different experiences (remembers them) and in order to house them all
imagines a linear of time in which can place all these objects and with that creates the idea of time. But actually
experience does not appear in linear time. All experience appears now.

So if all appears in now

What is past and future ?
Can a "cause effect" survive without time ?
Can you see the pattern ?

[Sara]

What is past and future ?
Can a "cause effect" survive without time ?
Can you see the pattern ?

Past and future are just thoughts/concepts without any inherent reality. They don't in fact exist.

Because time is a construct, there can't be cause-effect in any kind of linear way. Just thoughts arranging themselves in a certain way.

Yes, I can see the pattern.

Tomorrow Adil I am attending a funeral in another part of the country which will take up the whole day, so I will reply to you again on Tuesday if that's ok.

Love Sara

[adilerten]

What is past and future ?
Can a "cause effect" survive without time ?
Can you see the pattern ?

Past and future are just thoughts/concepts without any inherent reality. They don't in fact exist.

Because time is a construct, there can't be cause-effect in any kind of linear way. Just thoughts arranging themselves in a certain way.

Yes, I can see the pattern.

Tomorrow Adil I am attending a funeral in another part of the country which will take up the whole day, so I will reply to you again on Tuesday if that's ok.

Love Sara

That's ok Sara..

Also at the funeral see how thoughts there to make up stories from color+sound+sensations..
See how people agree on a common memory thought.
See how they believe that there is death ?

Is there any death ?
Have you been born ?
What are the actual experience of these ?
Are you sure ?
What says so ?

[Sara]

Is there any death ?
Have you been born ?
What are the actual experience of these ?
Are you sure ?
What says so ?

There's no self and no body, so there's nothing that can die.
No - There never has and never will be Sara.
Actual experience - they are an awfully big illusion that feel very real although they are not.
Am I sure? Although I know intellectually that death is just part of the illusion, the thoughts and emotions around it make it into a very real-seeming thing that's happening.
It's just more thoughts...

[adilerten]

Is there any death ?
Have you been born ?
What are the actual experience of these ?
Are you sure ?
What says so ?

There's no self and no body, so there's nothing that can die.
No - There never has and never will be Sara.
Actual experience - they are an awfully big illusion that feel very real although they are not.
Am I sure? Although I know intellectually that death is just part of the illusion, the thoughts and emotions around it make it into a very real-seeming thing that's happening.
It's just more thoughts...

Brilliant looking and seeing Sara..
thoughts make this illusion and make it look like "real".
What is real is color+sound+sensation+thought.
Not the thought content..