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[Debtfree]

Just one more: is thinking real but a thinker or a thought not real?
Is remembering real but the remembered not? Or Sensing memories real but the memories are not real?i think it’s soon time for bed! 😴 Speak tomorrow. X

[Seamist]

Would it be true to say that selfing or sense of selfing happens although there’s no self? So as long as selfing carries on but there’s no buying into it then all is just that? Like seeing happening but there’s no seer?

Yes
Bed sounds good to me! sleep well, Deborah

[Seamist]

And for the morning....
look at a thought about the future.

What is the future thought ‘made of’?

WHEN does the future thought appear?

What is the exact difference between a ‘general’ thought and a ‘future’ thought?

How is it known EXACTLY that a ‘future’ thought refers to something that will happen?

Then let’s compare a thought about past and a thought about the future.

What is the EXACT difference between the thoughts about past and future?

If there is difference and how is that difference is known exactly?
xx

[Debtfree]

A future thought ....it’s weird because I can make it just a thought in the present and it’s just a picture now but if I project it into the future something of me is lost and there’s a bodily sensation. It feels out there in ‘time’ on a time line.

A future thought is made of images and sometimes it is accompanied by feelings.

A future thought appears generally out of the blue in the now, present, like other thoughts.

The difference between a general and future thought is like a distance is felt. It stretches out somewhere out there. Less immediate.

It’s not known exactly that a future thought refers to something that will happen.

Comparing past and future....past also feels a bit more distant but it doesn’t stretch so much as it feels it’s done, more dead and gone but having said emotions and sensations can be there. With the future it’s accompanied by expectations, desires or fears and seems to be reaching out. There’s more of a gap between ‘me’ and the future happening in thought.

The exact difference is that there’s no difference as both are imagined now but the flavours, sensations and feelings are different. Both are imaged by thought now. Past thoughts are recollections, reflections and future ones are projections but they’re all happening now.

[Seamist]

That's really great looking, well done, Deborah

[Seamist]

The story of "me' can seem to have continuity. Is it really continuous? Or are there simply isolated thoughts that never can truly touch each other, some of them claiming that there's one continuous story?

[Debtfree]

Yes, the only reality is the awareness, beingness, livingness and a whole lot of random thoughts, sensations etc which don’t prove there’s a me but keep appearing to get magnetted onto a thought of a me . They keep referring back to an erroneous sense of me.

[Seamist]

Great again.
When we look very closely and precisely we come to see that 'me" thoughts only refer to it "me" thoughts, not to an actual abiding "me".
Can you ever find a "me" within the "me" thoughts and feelings?

[Debtfree]

I can’t but there’s just a ghostlike picture of a me playing out a false thread of wanting to connect the clouds of thoughts together and make a me but I know it’s just that. Behind it is the ever present awareness. All that’s ‘missing’ is an embodiment of this knowing.

[Seamist]

That's a lovely description.
Next...
Write the word "I" on a piece of paper. Look at the word, is that YOU?

[Debtfree]

No it’s just a shape on paper

[Seamist]

Ok, and now, speak that word ("I") silently to yourself. Are there any sensations or responses to the word?
Are any of the reactions in your body or mind by themselves YOU?

[Debtfree]

As I say the word I I notice the sound of saying I, the hearing of it. I also feel a calmness and peace. None of the sensations and reactions are me as from having looked before I’ve found no me. Me is a label which could, at a pinch, sink into the peace but add nothing to it so essentially it would be a nonexistent veil attached to the peace. However the stillness and peace seem to issue out from something behind that is stable and peaceful.

[Seamist]

Repeat, this time saying it aloud

[Debtfree]

I did say it aloud last time but will repeat.
I can hear the speaking aloud of it. It can be felt deeply resonating in the voice box. I hear it and feel. Feels as if it could coming from outside. It could be a sound like any other sound ‘outside’. Feels like an instrument is being used like the body is a hollow pipe. It doesn’t touch the stillness behind .