Seeing Truth happening through Sky Kim

[SkyKim]

"To drop" is just a term.
We can also say: Forget about this knowledge.

Sure! Term is term. Whatever term we use, there is no escape from the limitation. But, we need to use it.

only look at this present experience without expectations and comparison.

Sure! I follow.

Can you forget about the expectation for an "event" and just embrace what ever may come?

Sure! I dropped all the expectation for anything whether the thought may come or go, and just embrace whatever may come!

Thank you, _()_

[Matthew]

So then!
This is not an argument. This is still and will remain Direct Pointing.
Simply follow.

I heard or learned over years about the event happened to those sages, which is called Awakening

While looking, imagine you've never ever heard of an Awakening story.
Never heard of this being an issue in the first place.

Also, it's obvious that whether the Awakening happens here or not is matter to NO One.

As it became very very obvious.
There is experience, but simply no one there doing the experiencing.
Looking at this vast, ever fresh experience.

so that blind can see and realize that he was never blind

What here now is or was blind?
Was there ever anyone, who was blind?
What here now cannot see?

[SkyKim]

This is not an argument. This is still and will remain Direct Pointing.

Sure! Zero intention for argument.

Simply follow.

Sure! I do.

I look as you posted and will report you back.

Thank you,
_()_

[SkyKim]

What here now is or was blind?
Was there ever anyone, who was blind?
What here now cannot see?

I dropped the concept of blind or not.
And focus on the following

Looking at this vast, ever fresh experience.

While looking, imagine you've never ever heard of an Awakening story.
Never heard of this being an issue in the first place.

I dropped everything, every concept. So, I never heard of any issue.
Thoughts comes and goes with expectation, I look it at as a story or thoughts and only focus on

this vast, ever fresh experience.

[Matthew]

So how is it?
Here and now.
Is there anything not awake?

[SkyKim]

Is there anything not awake?

I cannot tell because there is NO "awakening" concept.

While looking, imagine you've never ever heard of an Awakening story.
Never heard of this being an issue in the first place.

With your guide, I follow. There is no more concept I hold related Awakening.

There is experience, but simply no one there doing the experiencing.

I also dropped the concept about the one or "no one" experiencing. Simply dropped all concepts.

There are thoughts related to "awake" concept comes and goes, which is part of experience that includes all other thoughts.

So how is it?
Here and now.

I focus on

Looking at this vast, ever fresh experience.

There is not much to talk about it. Happening including stories called 'memory' which is a thought coming and going...


Thank you, _()_

[Matthew]

Very very well!

There are thoughts related to "awake" concept comes and goes, which is part of experience that includes all other thoughts.

This is crystal clear, wow!
There also are thoughts from time to time about a "someone", who has a desire for awakening.
Would you be confused by that?
Does this "someone" exist?

Is there a one, which could be either awakened or not awakened?

[SkyKim]

There also are thoughts from time to time about a "someone", who has a desire for awakening.
Would you be confused by that?

Sometime confused. But recognized right away as "a confusion" which is a "thought", then resolved.

Does this "someone" exist?

I say "NO", but I see not 100% clear, which means there is confusion occasionally as I stated above.

Is there a one, which could be either awakened or not awakened?

Is it OK to ask "Is there someone experiencing?" instead of "one which could be either awakened or not awakened?". Because for the question, I always say "NO" driven from logical thinking since I never heard of awaking, then there is NO one can be awakened or not awakened.

So, I focus on

Looking at this vast, ever fresh experience.

and, sometimes I ask "is there one experiencing?"

Additionally, here is what I found.
"Experiencing", "Experiencer", "Looking", "the one who do.." and all other thoughts or concepts come after the so called Experience. On "What is", there is no concept including even Looking.
When I work, when I play with kids, watching TV, walking, driving or during most daily life activity, there is no concept of anything. Although this is not 100% clear, there is recognition time to time. And the recognition is the thought/concept following..

Thank you, _()_

[SkyKim]

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There also are thoughts from time to time about a "someone", who has a desire for awakening.
Would you be confused by that?
Does this "someone" exist?

I look this question when a thought related 'awakening' arises.

Thank you, _()_

[Matthew]

which means there is confusion occasionally

Have a completely fresh and innocent look at this:


So there are thoughts about confusion.
Now look at that, what is apparently confused.
What can be found?
How is it experienced?


Again. Look afresh. When a moment of apparent confusion happens.

Is there a confused awareness?
Or is there an awareness of confusion?

[SkyKim]

So there are thoughts about confusion.
Now look at that, what is apparently confused.
What can be found?
How is it experienced?

It's simply a thought which comes and goes. It's just labeled confusion.

Is there a confused awareness?
Or is there an awareness of confusion?

There is no "confused awareness". Only "awareness" of confusion. Once recognized as confusion which is just a thought, it's not confusion anymore. There is no confusion.

Thank you,
_()_

[Matthew]

Right.

Does this "someone" exist?

I say "NO", but I see not 100% clear

In the same way, for unclarity to truly exist, there must be something, which is unclear about another thing.

What is unclear about something?

but I see not 100% clear

Can "I" be clear or unclear about anything?

[SkyKim]

In the same way, for unclarity to truly exist, there must be something, which is unclear about another thing.

Right, laser sharp pointer! It's all the same.

What is unclear about something?
Can "I" be clear or unclear about anything?

No. "I" is illusion, imaginary character, or story which is nothing to do with clear and unclear.
It's all same. Thought saying "confuse", "unclear" or "I", "I want to see", "I want to wake up", "I'm a blind", "it's clear", and so on, comes and goes...

There is ever fresh Experiencing right here right now. That's why you keep telling me just 'Look'.

Thank you,
_()_

[Matthew]

Very very well!

So right.
There are thoughts about confusion. But there's simply nothing ever there, that is confused.
There are thoughts about identification. But there is no one and no thing at all, that is identifying.
There are thoughts about unclarity. But no one and no thing to own any unclarity.
It's all just a story.

If this is realised, then we can end this chapter of the story and continue the investigation into other aspects of experience in another place.

Is that okay with you?

[SkyKim]

Is that okay with you?

Yes.

Thank you,
_()_