If you are ready, come in..

[Ilona]

is there a self?
answer what feels true and write a lot.

[MerlinC]

when I want to I can cut thought out but I am or believe I am the thinker. it comes with a sence of self because the sence is a feeling of belonging. when I cut out thought it comes back and it feels as though that void experience is boring. I narrates and complains and labels things good or bad but that causes alot of confusion & pain. I identify with my past as if it happened in the present. and what I imagine the future to be which brings about alot of fear.

[Ilona]

Ok, so you believe that you are a thinker.
I'd say this is the place to dig for the truth.

Watch the thoughts as they arise and see if there is any effort involved in making them happen?
Can you know what the next thought gonna be?
I am the thinker- is just another thought.
Is it true?

[MerlinC]

thoughts just come and go but thair more habit then anything. I can never know the next thought because Im aways with a thought at the moment ontell another thought at a later moment. and when I wait for one thers a void. me thinker is a label.

[Ilona]

Good work.

Me doer, is there something behind this label?
How does doing happen? How is action labelled and what is really going on here.

Investigate and describe what you find.


Sending love.

[MerlinC]

from what I can tell action is happening by its self it seems to have a mind of its own but at the same time its what I want done but its not a forced relasionship its effortless it just works. action is labled as an I being in complete control, I do this and that but I is an idea not really in a position of control but still thinks its the leader because I thinks it is the human form but it couldnt be because I is a belief. which is conflicting.

[Ilona]

Ok, great.
So I is a thought.
Can a thought think?

[MerlinC]

No thoughts dont think. Thoughts happen and I react to them. but its the I, I believe myself to be that reacts out of what should be happening. because of values the I holds near and dear.

[Ilona]

Thoughts don't think.
But thoughts can react?
Is it true?
What is it that raises a reaction? Is it an I? How does it work. Take a close look at this.

Notice that through the day in yourself and others how reaction happen.

[MerlinC]

we react in responce to how we believe we should feel and portry are selfs under a given situation or comment from another person. some beliefs are deeply rooted and one often doesnt know why they think or feel the way they do. we indentify with are beliefs and mentle pictures and thats why reaction is habbit along with the over all sence of self its a grasping for something or a fight with what is being presented to us in the now. we are afraid of losing the power we never had in the first place which makes us feel afraid of life and death because nothing stays the same. therefore were always lost in the noise in are minds.

[Ilona]

Dear monarch. What you write is what you think about it. It's ok, but it's not what is required here. We are not working in the best theory how 'we' react. We are focusing here on your direct experience and your seeing as it is.
Knowing and seeing is not the same.
You can create a wonderful story about the experience, but what i'm asking is describe what you see with your own two eyes as you see it.

Please drop explanations. Look, feel, write what is true to you.
And focus on questions precisely.
The question is: can a thought react.
Sit with it, feel it, answer as you see.
No more theories. Deal?

Much love.

[MerlinC]

ok. do thoughts react? yes because if it didnt I couldent right back to your thoughts about thoughts reacting or not.

[Ilona]

Ok, investigate deeper and answer from experience, not from what you think about it or what you think you know.

How does this mechanism work? How thought affects feelin, feeling thought and what holds it together?
Really look into it. Describe what you see. Do not use second hand knowledge. Thinking and LOOKING is not the same.

It's simple, looking with eyes and senses, notice what processes are going on.
Dig deep.

[MerlinC]

Id say I react to thoughts then the feeling comes out of my interpertation on what ever information I recieve then I feel and that feeling fuels the next thought in a snowball effect. what ties it together I guess would be body and mind seeming there one after the other

[Ilona]

write more, look deeper. this requires some investigation, do a bit of work. thoughts and feelings are connected as it's one system mind-body.

what is it that is managing this mind-body? where is command center?