Guide request

[s-p-a-c-e]

Yeah, I know it is difficult to express, so we read between the words. :)

Ok, a few more little beauties awaiting a response...

What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?

Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control. What makes things happen? How does it work? What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.

Anything to add?

Takk,
John

[SandViking]

Thanks for your reply John! :)

I will send you the aswers a bit later today, now I have to pick up my daughter and walk her home. Be right back :)

Thanks!
Andy

[s-p-a-c-e]

Cool. :)

[SandViking]

High again ;)

What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?
I realized that the "nothing" I was observing was still something I was observing, and since I observ it there is still further.
Looking into nothingness stil implies "something"... not nessessarrily a senseble thing, but stil "some"...
So I looked, then I saw nothing.

Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control. What makes things happen? How does it work? What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.
These are all good questions, but I am not sure if I got the answers :)
My daughter has been on a school-trip to one of the islands in the "negighborhood" and was comming back today. I had promised to come meet her, even though she was going home with a friend from class. We just wanted to meet and say "hi", but this did not happen as planned.
I made a decision by my free will, it was my choise and intention, and seemed like something I could controll....

It is very, very, VERY hot in Norway today 27-28 degree C. I had to run over a tall bridge, uphill and downhill (if you can say that about a bridge), sweat pouring down my face, the tshirt getting wet from sweat, fast breathing, and stressful thoughts, getting irritated about myself, thinking in my mind "What happened to free will??????"
"Bad dad, its your responsibility to be at the boat at the ringht time."
Whos free will?
Who's in controll?
Who's responsible?

Empty.
Everything flows from this emptyness, in this emptyness, as this emptyness.
Nobody is in controll, everybody is asleep, free will is just another illusion in the dream - just as everything.



Anything to add?
When I first made this realization I thought about the "Ghost in the machine" theory (I'm sure you've heard about it).
I thought that might be the explination. Then I thought; it's the other way around; "machines in the ghost" :)

Not sure if my aswers are what you're asking for, but this is as good as I can answer at this moment.

Thnak you very much!
notAndy

[SandViking]

The last part of my intro was missing...

I realized that the "nothing" I was observing was still something I was observing, and since I observ it there is still further.
Looking into nothingness stil implies "something"... not nessessarrily a senseble thing, but stil "some"...
So I looked, then I saw nothing.
Nothing is still something, look further...
Looking further....
Empty...


Don't know how I deleted the last part, but now you got it ;)

Thanks,
notAndy

[s-p-a-c-e]

Andy,

There being no 'Andy', when you say 'my body', is 'Andy' the owner? If not, is the body yours? To whom does it belong?
When I say "my body" I am talking from the perspective of Andy, because that is how I am used to phrase my words.
"My body" is more like a point of referense from my perspective, no ownership invalved. The body belongs to the dream/illusion, I use it for navigation, or a means of transportation and expression, but it is not mine.
I guess you can say it belongs to mind :)

For you to check: What is using the body for navigation etc?

Observe, moving around, is anything USING the body to navigate etc?

Takk,
John

[SandViking]

Thanks for your reply! :)

Besides from my intentions to move the body, nothing or noone is moving it; movement happens.
When it comes to navigation; when the body walks and a table gets in the way, it sees the table and turns around it. Navigation happens.
So if I say I am not drunk, that is true; it is the body who gets drunk, not me :)

So do I mean that it is intentions that move the body?
No, simply that intention is involved, and an intention is nothing but an idea i.e. nothing.

Thank you!
Andy

[s-p-a-c-e]

So if I say I am not drunk, that is true; it is the body who gets drunk, not me :)

What would you say is the me that doesn't get drunk?

Takk,
John

[SandViking]

Thanks for your reply! :)

It was supposed to be funny, not to be taken seriously :P :)

The me that does not get drunk is the same as the me that does not get stoned or the me that is sober.
I don't drink at all really, so I also wonder who this me is who is not getting drunk or not getting stoned, then I remember; it is me.

Me, myself and I - the trinity.
Why are there 3?
Jesus is sitting on the right hand of God, who is sitting on the left hand?
Does God only have one hand?
Oh... that's not the question, the question is "What would you say is the me that doesn't get drunk?"
Nothing, nobody, just an idea.

Everything comes from this me, but it is not I, just a misidentification.
I am beyond the illusion of self, I am the one observer of the I; the selfless Self.

But in order for everybody to understant me, I use the words me, myself and I ;)

Thanks,
Me

[s-p-a-c-e]

Thanks for your reply! :)

Everything comes from this me, but it is not I, just a misidentification.
I am beyond the illusion of self, I am the one observer of the I; the selfless Self.

Andy, just to share with you our process here, each guide passes the thread to the wider guide community for comments, hence some of the questions coming back. I'm fine with what you have shared, but some have a different perspective. :)

We just go with it.

So, one guide wonders whether you may be identifying as some perhaps mystical self, or as awareness, or as the observer.

Which is actually very common, the desire to land somewhere, to BE this or that, something perceived as stable and consistent.

Or not...

What would you say?

Takk,
John

[SandViking]

Thanks for your reply! :)

So, one guide wonders whether you may be identifying as some perhaps mystical self, or as awareness, or as the observer.
Which is actually very common, the desire to land somewhere, to BE this or that, something perceived as stable and consistent.
Or not...
What would you say?

Not, there is no self (hence "the selfless Self"), there is no I, there is no observer, there is nothing to be identified with or observed; empty. Full stopp.

That "emptyness" (if it can be called that) is all that is real.

Hope this clears up my answers, if not, ask again and I'll do my best :)

Thank you!
Andy

[s-p-a-c-e]

Thanks Andy - back shortly. :)

[SandViking]

I see that "That "emptyness" (if it can be called that) is all that is real." may imply that "it" is "something", but it is not, just an axample of how difficult it is to explain, so let me do a metaphore:

Imagine a glass of water.
Pour out all the water.
The glass now contains nothing (or is empty)
Imagine the glass dematerealize.
Now there's only empty space.
But space is not real, so there is only empty.

You can change the glass of water with anything, point is the same.

There is no I, me, observer, self, it, that, or anything, but these are words used to describe something that is beyond words.

Thank you!
Andy

[s-p-a-c-e]

Hi Andy,

Have sent you a PM.

Takk,
John