Hi Sarah,
Welcome back Hope you had a great break
I’m now back at work with a full time job ... so looking will be a bit different
mikenew wrote:
The illusion has shifted - it now comes and goes between "I'm in here, everything else is out there" to "It's all me with 'actors' outside the body ie sensations being interpreted and when people interact with me it's me interacting with me - In Lak'ech Ala Kin"
Are you saying here that there is still a belief in ‘I’ sometimes? A feeling of ‘me-ness’? That it comes and goes? Then the experience is that it is all awareness? But that too comes and goes? This is experienced and seen? What else is there to see, to know, to experience?
Yes there is still a belief in 'I', feeling of 'me-ness' that comes and goes.
Yes it is awareness and that too comes and goes. It is seen during or later.
'''I' don't know what else there is to experience. Looking only shows sensations, thoughhts and awareness that are changing.
Content wise there are other things that 'I' would like to see and experience - new love, travel, learning, connection etc...
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There is a sensation labelled 'fear' ... Its not just fear of self being an illusion, its everything being an illusion
Is this experienced – that everything is an illusion?
No - only sensations,thoughts and awareness are experienced
'illusion' is just a tought
Why is the fear attached to this?
'I' don't know why fear is here- maybe see answer to question below
It's just a sensation.
Is there something specific being protected here?
It is the 'I' thoughts protecting the 'I's self importance, need for control
mikenew wrote:
logic from our discussion on looking says thoughts are not true and don't do anything ... though there is the whole belief system (law of attraction, the secret, positive thinking, manifestation etc... ) that thought is prayer that it creates your reality, so thoughts that are about undesired things may be creating these undesired things, hence may not be useful ... and vice a versa for postive things .... even Jed McKenna -recommended by liberation unleashed says thoughts are prayer and manifest ..... 'My' looking has not shown this 'thought creation' to be true but maybe its not seen yet. Looking has shown some evidence, for example when I read the word 'smile' yesterday I smiled, when I read the question about fear above then I felt fear ... more looking required
What do you need that you don’t have?
Nothing in an awareness, sensation, thoughts perspective.
A million dollars would be good from a content perspective
What is not given to you?
Yes it all ‘comes from somewhere’ – it is all ‘given’ to me...
Do you see that thoughts dictate reality?
No
Do I see they don’t dictate reality – some or all of reality? No
Though reality is just a thought ...
What if thoughts were not heard/believed?
Can a thought go unheard? I’ve kind of seen that ... felt the thought ‘coming’ but it did not ‘form’
Thoughts can be not believed – at least not believed in my looking – so I can only conjecture what would happen if they all were not believed... but that’s just thoughts and not direct looking...
so conjecturing if not heard ‘I’d say that life would continue exactly as is but just without thoughts which would make it more peaceful ie less thought noise. No judgements. ..... If not believed then it’d be just like a radio playing in the background in the room .... oh there’s that voice – it’s not real ..
The Jed McKenna bit is about ‘Intent’ and manifestation. How did you find LU? What led you here?
In the fourth book “theory of everything” last or second last page he says “thought is prayer” and yes I agree – he’s talking about intentional manifestation.
I found LU when I was looking at a Jed McK book on Amazon and saw the gateless gate book.... It’s my intent and interest and actions to be enlightened that got me there ... Intent Theory says “my intent is to be ‘enlightened’ so life will present me with whatever I need to achieve that so LU is one such thing” ..
Certainly if the word self (and hence words like I,me,my,you,others, they) is to be used in any truthful way then self is not mind, its not body, its not mind/body ... it may be awareness or a combination of awareness/mind, awareness/body or awareness/mind/body ... probably simply awareness with the overlay of mind/body perspective - my perspective, your perspective. Looking just shows one experience .
Yes. What else do you need to know?
There is nothing 'I' need to know.
In looking so far nothing stays except awareness and some kind of changing sensation....
Yes. The changing sensations – are they thoughts too?
The could be, but looking shows sensations and thoughts distinctly ...
Could it be that the sensation is the precursor or gives birth to thought? Yes .. can I see this is the case in looking? No.
Could it be that sensation is one form of thought and what I call thought is another form of thought? Yes ... all it requires is a change in my definition of the word thought and its true sensations are thoughts ... but that’s just a thought! Or similarly expand the definition of sensation and its all sensation....
For me sensation is something felt/seen/heard/tasted/smelt/sensed/intuitive feeling .... thought is something – a voice in the head - that has language ... so it’s really the language part that makes it a thought.
I can accept that thought is sensation... I’m finding it difficult to accept that sensation is thought...
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Love, Mike
