I Need Guidance

[Noobstorm]

I don't see this clearly enough, maybe this is just a theory for me.

Ah!, now i get it. (i think)
How will you know when it is more than a theory ?, when you really See it ?

No-self is just an idea for me, just like I is an idea for you. The idea that there is no self doesn't register as truth. I don't know how to "really" see it or what ever.

[vinceschubert]

No-self is just an idea for me, just like I is an idea for you

If No-self is an idea for you, what is self ?

[Noobstorm]

No-self is just an idea for me, just like I is an idea for you

If No-self is an idea for you, what is self ?

Something that owns the body and controls it.

[vinceschubert]

Something that owns the body and controls it.

How does it "own" it ?
How does it "control" it ?

[Noobstorm]

Something that owns the body and controls it.

How does it "own" it ?
How does it "control" it ?

It has control over everything and makes every decision. It is the brain/body. I previously agreed that the brain was just the brain(it makes some sense when I think about it) but I don't believe that, so I shouldn't have said that.

[Noobstorm]

Since it is the brain it owns the body and has control over it.

[vinceschubert]

But HOW ?
How does ownership work ?

[Noobstorm]

But HOW ?
How does ownership work ?

The brain has complete control over the body so it is the owner. Just like someone who is in complete control of a company is the owner.

[Cam-RT]

The brain has complete control over the body so it is the owner. Just like someone who is in complete control of a company is the owner.

Come on!! A piece of meat with Electrical impulses running through it??

Who's the Owner??

LOOK MAN!!! What's behind all this CRAP flying around in your head??

[Noobstorm]

I feel so hopeless now. Cam-RT, this isn't working for me. This discussion of no I has been going on for this whole thread and I just don't see it.

[Noobstorm]

When I try to look for myself I immediately return to my assumptions such as "I am the one looking for self" etc.

[Cam-RT]

Okay man...Let's dial this back a notch.

Whether outside or in look around!...what your seeing thru those to holes in your head is life...

DO IT!!! LOOK AROUND...The stuff your looking at is REAL. Reality Right??

The point I'm making here is that's ALL there is... JUST LIFE!!

Sure the body is real ( temporarily until it dies.) The brain houses your intellect/memories and consciousness in the form of impulses.

So what's the TRUTH??

So does a you actually EXIST??

[Noobstorm]

Okay man...Let's dial this back a notch.

Whether outside or in look around!...what your seeing thru those to holes in your head is life...

DO IT!!! LOOK AROUND...The stuff your looking at is REAL. Reality Right??

The point I'm making here is that's ALL there is... JUST LIFE!!

Sure the body is real ( temporarily until it dies.) The brain houses your intellect/memories and consciousness in the form of impulses.

So what's the TRUTH??

So does a you actually EXIST??

So are you saying without thought there is only life? I am not able to take a plain look at reality.

I look and I have a very intimate feeling that I am looking. I don't know how this would work if I wasn't here.

[Cam-RT]

So are you saying without thought there is only life? I am not able to take a plain look at reality.

Okay same as before...look around the room find an object a chair for instance...you look at the chair, you can touch the chair it's real...Now close your eye's, you can picture the same chair in your head...But it's NOT the chair it's just an image in your mind...Now what if you were to draw a picture of the chair...Still not the ACTUAL chair in real life right?!?

Do you exist in real life? Or..... Is it... IN YOUR HEAD???

[Noobstorm]

So are you saying without thought there is only life? I am not able to take a plain look at reality.

Okay same as before...look around the room find an object a chair for instance...you look at the chair, you can touch the chair it's real...Now close your eye's, you can picture the same chair in your head...But it's NOT the chair it's just an image in your mind...Now what if you were to draw a picture of the chair...Still not the ACTUAL chair in real life right?!?

Do you exist in real life? Or..... Is it... IN YOUR HEAD???

It's in my head.. but this is still only understood I don't 'see' it so to say.

I appreciate the help you're giving me.