Cessation of becoming

[Anastacia42]

Very well.



1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.

3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?

5) Describe decision & give examples from experience.

Describe intention & give examples from experience.

Describe free will & give examples from experience.

Describe choice & give examples from experience.

Describe control & give examples from experience.

What makes things happen? How does it work?

What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.

6) Anything to add?



Take your time.

Loving
Stacy

[jmc]

Good evening Stacy. Responses will be coming.

John
.

[Anastacia42]

Great!

[jmc]

Good morning Stacy. Still working on responses. It’s less about time for writing and more about really checking experience.

John

[Anastacia42]

No problem.

Thanks for letting me know.

Stacy

[jmc]

Hi Stacy,

Thanks for your patience with my response. I will certainly be answering the 'final' questions, but since that post something caused me to first stop and inquire into if there’s still some form of holding onto the illusion of self. Not sure exactly why that came up, but clearly there was a sense that it might be true otherwise it wouldn’t have occurred. I spent some time over the last couple days looking deeply at that question, and I want to share some observations with the hope you can provide any guidance necessary.

What I noticed a couple days ago…
When there is an intention to stop and look at whether the self exists, as in the exercises you provided, it is quite obvious and certain there isn’t. However when functioning normally during the day, there is limited awareness of ‘no self’. It’s not gone because it can be seen once again with the simple intention of looking. It seems to be forgotten until there is an intention to remember.

I’ve been reading realization scenarios from the Gateless Gatecrashers and it seems for all of them, although I can’t know for sure, that the knowing is much more persistent than my experience. It also seems to be accompanied by a permanent shift in perspective in how they see life. For me it’s been more of a cycle of remembered/forgotten with intermittent shifts in perspective.

What I noticed last night and since…
I sat quietly and looked at what beliefs might still be perpetuating the illusion of self. What became evident is a remaining ‘story’ of owning / being responsible for outcomes in life. (Interestingly, for some reason it also makes sense to me that belief could co-exist with a legitimate ‘seeing’ of no-self at certain times.) When that belief was brought into the light, so to speak, it became clear that story had been alive and well. Then when I looked into ‘ownership’, ex. who/what is owning and has there ever been an owner that can control/manage outcomes, it was quickly seen that the belief was not true and its hold softened, and there was a shift of sorts. I wouldn’t necessary say the belief completely dissipated yet though, but it is different now. There has also been an energetic sensation that accompanies this recognition that feels stronger than before. Almost like a light-headedness/spacy-ness and an energy running through my nervous system.

Any feedback or direction would be appreciated.

Thanks,
John

[Anastacia42]

Good evening,

There has also been an energetic sensation that accompanies this recognition that feels stronger than before. Almost like a light-headedness/spacy-ness and an energy running through my nervous system.

Yes. Would you describe it as expansive, light, open?

Do you recall the truth feeling we discussed? Check Saturday. May 7 at 7:46 am.

When you finally SEE no self, the truth of it can have a profound visceral effect like you're describing. For some of us, there's even a glow around what we see.

This can also come & go as we adjust to what is true. Watch this, please:

https://youtu.be/vJQcD588g2w

and

https://youtu.be/PUDzrCLlrj4

Do these help?

Much love,

Stacy

[jmc]

Thanks Stacy,

Would you describe it as expansive, light, open?

I had to check. I’m not sure those are the words I would use but they are not far off. For me it’s more of an energetic thing in the body that also includes a feeling of no center.

Yes those videos are helpful, if for no other reason to hear that what’s happening is typical. You had provided them before but it was good to rewatch them.

I’m going to respond to the final questions but for now it seems more helpful to ‘be’ with what is occurring.

John

[Anastacia42]

Hi John,

Yes, that's true. No need to rush.

Loving,

[Anastacia42]

Good morning!

Hope to see you at the meeting. Same time as last time.

https://dateful.com/time-zone-converter

Our next one is:

Jun 6, 2022 05:00 AM Canberra, Melbourne, Sydney time. (2 pm Central Time on Sunday]

Then fortnightly

Jun 20, 2022 05:00 AM

Jul 4, 2022 05:00 AM

Jul 18, 2022 05:00 AM

Aug 1, 2022 05:00 AM

Join Zoom Meeting

https://us02web.zoom.us/j/86991485768?p ... 9148 5768
Passcode: 083035

[jmc]

Hi Stacy,

Thanks for the meeting info. I’m in Maine visiting my daughter and grandkids this weekend so I won’t be able to join the call.

I did want to give you a quick update on things though.

I find myself looking at beliefs or stories consistently now. It’s often emotion or stronger feelings that prompts the looking, but not always. In fact, unlike in the past, the examination of beliefs is being applied to positive experiences too, because they also contain the lie of someone (self) being real, and seem to be some of the most important beliefs. Most of the beliefs/stories are seen through as just thoughts and ideas with no self behind them fairly quickly and easily. A few take some deeper looking. There is also a type of ‘stillness’ that is experienced more frequently. I’m not sure that’s the right word but it’s almost like no desire to move (and not just physically).

Honestly I don’t know where things are relative to being “through the gate”. In some ways that feels arbitrary because of seeing clearly (at least at times) there never was a self. Not to take the gate metaphor too far, but it’s like I see I’ve always been on the other side of the gate and just didn’t know it.

Thanks,
John

[Anastacia42]

Hi John,

As far as I can tell, yes, you're through the gate & yes, there is no gate.

I see I’ve always been on the other side of the gate and just didn’t know it.

Exactly.

This reorganizing & aligning with this truth will continue, possibly for years. You're well on your way.

As soon as you answer "final" questions, I'll share those with other guides, who may have questions. Then you can continue to attend video groups or ask questions on our Facebook group, or whatever you'd like for support.

I'll just watch for your answers. Have fun in Maine!

Much love,
Stacy

[Anastacia42]

Meeting is open now!

If you're available.

[Anastacia42]

Hi John,

The investigations you are doing will continue for a very long time. I just want to check in. Are you able to answer "final" questions?

Loving,
Stacy

[jmc]

Hi Stacy,

Thank you for checking. I just finished my responses (below). It was delayed because I felt like I need some quiet time to be certain I wasn't just answering them from an intellectual standpoint. I finally had that time this morning.

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

No. No.

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.

The illusion of a separate self is a belief that thoughts and sensations belong to an entity - ‘me’ - that is distinct from other existence and can cause/manage outcomes, and that it has a specific lifespan.

Not sure from actual memory when it started but it is reasonable to say that as this body and mind developed, the illusory self was reinforced by family and society in general. I don’t know how/why the initial false perception of separation comes into existence but there is a cycle of the self believing it has to survive, protect itself, and seek happiness which in turn strengthens the illusion. This self deems it necessary, and in fact exists, to move away from current experience because that experience is fearful, painful or unsatisfactory. That attempt to move away is actually the source of discontent, not the experience itself.

3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

It feels two ways. First, it feels like the first time I put on reading glasses. :-) Nothing changed except clarity of what was there. But that clarity was most welcome! Second, it feels ‘ungrounded’. I struggled to find the right word but generally it means no standing on something solid, ever changing, uncertain, unspecific.

I had been primed for Seeing and had been provided glimpse of Truth prior to entry into this dialog. But the dialog itself removed limiting veils that had not been noticed prior. One example is that any concern of something being undone or forgotten, in terms of seeing Truth, is gone. Experience can’t change the knowing of no self.

Experience in the past week can be described as checking and ‘being’. Checking whether the self exists in ANY circumstance and then ‘being’ the recognition of the answer, which is no.

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?

Can’t say for sure but the following realizations were devastating for the self. ;-)
- the self NEVER EVER existed
- time cannot be found
- the self is not responsible for outcomes

5) Describe decision & give examples from experience.

Describe intention & give examples from experience.

Describe free will & give examples from experience.

Describe choice & give examples from experience.

Describe control & give examples from experience.

What makes things happen? How does it work?

What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.

I don’t mean to circumvent answering these questions individually but they all seem to have the same answer. Decisions, intention, free will, choice, and control are all illusions. Thoughts and actions happen spontaneously based on brain activity. A self-entity does not control the activity of the brain. There is no self-entity to do that.

There is no “you” to be responsible for anything.

Let me know if you need something more for these questions.

6) Anything to add?

Two things.

First, it feels like there is so much more to be seen now that that the primary veil has been lifted. Limitless in some ways.

Second, gratitude arises for you Stacy, and for the work of Ilona and all the guides (although it does seem that that gratitude is much broader and not just directed to someone :-) ).