The Gate

Hi again!
happy to continue the looking.

Could it be any different ?
If yes, what says so?
Can you see that everything is a story brought by thought..
Where is this past ?
Is anything without any actual experience real ?
Is thought content real here and now ? What is thought telling about ?

So if “my” memory is lost there is no clue to past experiences.All past is built up and constructed by thoughts even the world war 2. The thoughts are referring to concepts they are not real.

Relax...breathe and focus on the scars and see how thought writes the story about them "this happened like this..this happened like that, i know because i remember (memory thought is just another thought)..
Recognize again fully that these are just thoughts.. And what you see there actually ???
What is those scars without thought?
Let's say if now you loose your memory how can you know that you were / are cancer and you had operations.
Key is not forgetting/denying these memories but seeing thought as thought.
Can you see that there is an attached thought of me to these thoughts appearing in the now ?

Yes there are thoughts connected to me and mine about what happened to “Me”. “My” memories, “my” body and scars etc. What “I” have learned from history about Second World War etc.

It was very helpful with the thought that memory is lost to see how thoughts build thoughts.
Thank you for today,
Pia

Hi again!
happy to continue the looking.

Could it be any different ?
If yes, what says so?
Can you see that everything is a story brought by thought..
Where is this past ?
Is anything without any actual experience real ?
Is thought content real here and now ? What is thought telling about ?

So if “my” memory is lost there is no clue to past experiences.All past is built up and constructed by thoughts even the world war 2. The thoughts are referring to concepts they are not real.

Relax...breathe and focus on the scars and see how thought writes the story about them "this happened like this..this happened like that, i know because i remember (memory thought is just another thought)..
Recognize again fully that these are just thoughts.. And what you see there actually ???
What is those scars without thought?
Let's say if now you loose your memory how can you know that you were / are cancer and you had operations.
Key is not forgetting/denying these memories but seeing thought as thought.
Can you see that there is an attached thought of me to these thoughts appearing in the now ?

Yes there are thoughts connected to me and mine about what happened to “Me”. “My” memories, “my” body and scars etc. What “I” have learned from history about Second World War etc.

It was very helpful with the thought that memory is lost to see how thoughts build thoughts.
Thank you for today,
Pia

That's a very good looking Pia.
Those hands are not yours
Those memories (thoughts) are not yours
Those scars are not yours!
There is no you!
There is only dance of color-sound-sensations not owned by anything.
and It knows itself.

Can you see this ?

I see that you saw there is no self. Anywhere anyform but..
What do you see? A shift in perceivement took place ?
Are you ready for final questions ?
;)

Hi!

Those hands are not yours. Those memories (thoughts) are not yours. Those scars are not yours!
There is no you! There is only dance of color-sound-sensations not owned by anything and It knows itself.
Can you see this ?

Yes I can see this but I forget and have to remind “myself” of what is.

I see that you saw there is no self. Anywhere anyform but..
What do you see? A shift in perceivement took place ?
Are you ready for final questions ?

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Yes there is a shift but when busy at work the shift is a bit in the background but it is there and has an effect on various aspect of daily life. A freedom not to be so wired and identified with thoughts!
I am ready for the final questions!

Love,
Pia

Hi!

Those hands are not yours. Those memories (thoughts) are not yours. Those scars are not yours!
There is no you! There is only dance of color-sound-sensations not owned by anything and It knows itself.
Can you see this ?

Yes I can see this but I forget and have to remind “myself” of what is.

I see that you saw there is no self. Anywhere anyform but..
What do you see? A shift in perceivement took place ?
Are you ready for final questions ?

Yes there is a shift but when busy at work the shift is a bit in the background but it is there and has an effect on various aspect of daily life. A freedom not to be so wired and identified with thoughts!
I am ready for the final questions!

Love,
Pia
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Thank you Pia for the answers.

Yes there is a shift but when busy at work the shift is a bit in the background but it is there and has an effect on various aspect of daily life. A freedom not to be so wired and identified with thoughts!
I am ready for the final questions!

As we mentioned before realising 'no self' happens, but there will also be periods of checking, and doubting, and rechecking, and that is all normal. This exploration is just a beginning and not an ending. There will still be beliefs and patterns that are rooted in the idea of being a separate self that will need clearing but if you know that the ‘conditioning’ is not something that you own, then it is easier to clear. Continuing to LOOK after the realisation is very much the key.

Let's go..

Here they are:

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.

3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over; made you look?

5) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control. What makes things happen? How does it work? What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.

6) Anything to add?

Take as much time you need for answering... :)

Hi Adil!

Let’s go....

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.

3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over; made you look?

5) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control. What makes things happen? How does it work? What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.

6) Anything to add?

1) No there is definitely no figure or little self sitting anywhere in anything and there never was or is!

2) +3)The illusion is that there has been someone very vague but still in charge behind the eyes thinking and judging what happens. Having identified with the controller and judgmental thoughts in this way creating a lot of suffering also carrying along a heavy burden of identifying with the helper carrying along other people’s problems or emotional pain from dead parents and their background etc.
Now not identifying is the key - instead just seeing what is. It has resulted in less involvement of a buddhistic context that I also have identified with. So there is a taste of freedom being drawn to be in the potential of presence in direct experience! Happiness can arise from just looking for example in the sky. Sorrow and worry are lighter coming and and going. There is less vagueness and a sense of vividness like having found the fuel!

4) This summer before joining there was an experience of energy and pain coming by itself when moving to music and lying on my back afterwards when looking at the sky a stronge sense that the experience was not “mine” arouse.Now after this experience when going in to the webpage and reading about it there was a curiosity to try it out.
I had heard of LU before but then there were thoughts that it was frightening, boring and lonely to loose something and also knowing that some parts of the buddhistic context I have been part of did not not favour it .

5) There is no entity that is fixed and in charge so therefore there cannot be any will, or intention or decision or control as such. No one is responsible. When realising this there is a taste of freedom and potential to let life evolve by itself.
Some examples:
- when painting ; the “I” cannot paint. The painting comes into being by itself.
- when having hot flushes there is a knowing before it happens (lowering the heat in the car not knowing why, then the flush comes afterwards).
- when meeting someone directly without agenda there is a vivid common contact shared which cannot be put in words.

6) There is much appreciation and gratefulness of this guidance-the generosity, the sharp focus cutting through thoughts and wisdom transmitted through text and communication. Thank you!

A question if this is the end??? Can I remain reading my thread for some more time? Will you tell me a bit about yourself?

Lots of love,
Pia

Thank you for the answers Pia,

A question if this is the end??? Can I remain reading my thread for some more time? Will you tell me a bit about yourself?

Now my guide friends will take a look to our dialogue if we missed something and if you have clearly seen through..
Sure you can read thread whenever you like it will be always here.

If all ok we will be inviting you to our facebook aftercare groups and we will meet and talk more there..

Sending love

See you soon..

Hello again Pia :)

My guide friends wanted me to ask if you feel something is still left undone ?

Is there ?

Pia ?

Hi!
Still here. Need another day to look if there are something left undone, hope that is ok?
Love,
Pia

Hi!
Still here. Need another day to look if there are something left undone, hope that is ok?
Love,
Pia

ok Pia.
If not your answers shows that you have seen.
Please tell us if you have more questions..

Sending love.

Hi!
No more questions shows up. The process seem to go on by itself....some changes are being made in a liberating direction.
Feeling grateful and amazed, thank you for excellent guidance!
Pia

Hi!
No more questions shows up. The process seem to go on by itself....some changes are being made in a liberating direction.
Feeling grateful and amazed, thank you for excellent guidance!
Pia

Thank you pia.
Our work is confirmed by my guide friends.
Welcome home. You are not at home, you are home now :)

So you will receive an invitation to our facebook after care groups..

You can also find me there.

Sending much love.
It was a pleasure to work with you

:)❤️