The Gate

Andrew,

I was told to only refer to DE at the start of the guiding process. It doesn't seem useful to start imagining now.

Haha. Talking about sensation of breath is imagining that that sensation is connect to breath, is it not? Writing "thank you" is thought content. It's ok here - no need to split hairs. How do you suppose the illusion of I begins? Are babies born with it?

As for alteration of everyday experience, yes of course the dropping away of self has led to a more relaxed peaceful existence.

Great! That can be said to be a shift.

Love,

Robyn

Dearest Robyn,

Haha. Talking about sensation of breath is imagining that that sensation is connect to breath, is it not? Writing "thank you" is thought content. It's ok here - no need to split hairs. How do you suppose the illusion of I begins? Are babies born with it?

Ha, yea i realised that breath is a label also. No babies cannot be born with the illusion of I. When born, babies can't talk or understand language of course so there are no thoughts (mental talk). Maybe mental images appear first but that's neither her nor there. The Illusion of the 'I' starts then when the child is a few years old and is incorrectly taught that they are a separate self. From there the conditioning and story becomes more and more complex and the self's personality becomes more and more abstract.

Also Robyn concerning your previous question about a shift, definitely acting like an 2 year old more these days. Laughing for no reason and being playful without care. Just a thought that arose so worth noting.


Love,

Andrew

Hi, Andrew,

Ha, yea i realised that breath is a label also.

Well done.

No babies cannot be born with the illusion of I. When born, babies can't talk or understand language of course so there are no thoughts (mental talk). Maybe mental images appear first but that's neither her nor there. The Illusion of the 'I' starts then when the child is a few years old and is incorrectly taught that they are a separate self. From there the conditioning and story becomes more and more complex and the self's personality becomes more and more abstract.

Great - The only part I still question is "a few years old." How old are we when we learn their names, when they start to say, "mine," etc.?

Andrew, will you please re-copy your answers to the questions and add the answer to the above? If I have no more questions, I'll run it by another guide or two to see if they see anything I've missed.

Love,

Robyn

Andrew,

I meant to write, "How old are we when we learn OUR names...?" I hope I didn't confuse you!

Love,
Robyn

Robyn,

Great - The only part I still question is "a few years old." How old are we when we learn their names, when they start to say, "mine," etc.?

About 3 years old.

p.s life got in the way lately , landlord issues. Will post my answers asap.

Love

Andrew

Robyn,

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

No self there never was.

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.

The illusion is believing that thoughts are an entity called a self, me or I. In reality thoughts are phenomena that pass through awareness, they are not chosen. The content is usually about an illusionary self a poor ‘me’ and is always in Time resisting what was (past) or what might be (future), denying the present experience/moment. It starts at about the age of 3 when a child can interpret language and experience the 'I' thoughts.

3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

When ‘I am’ aware it feels neither good nor bad, kind of an empty peaceful feeling, (expansion). At the start ‘I’ was searching for a better experience, the next step/stage. ‘I’ realise now that that seeking would mean ‘I’’ believe in a separate self that can attain that. This feels peaceful that there is nothing to do but experience life.

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?

Desire for truth. One experience leads to another. looking became more peaceful without care if anything is found to be honest.

5) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control. What makes things happen? How does it work? What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.

These are all concepts and can only be found in thought content, never experienced. Life just happens, there isn’t anything else to say about it, everything just is what it is.

6)Is there anything you would like to add?


From experience it seems to be open honest, authentic and loving will make life flow. This is of course thought content but it is also realised through trial and error on a deeper level that doesn’t need proof or explanation.



Love always


Andrew

Robyn,

Sorry the answer to number 6 is supposed to be . ''No nothing more to add''
I posted an old answer/story from before. Darn copy and paste :D

Love

Andrew

Hi, Andrew,

Thanks!

I hope your issue was easily resolved.

I will show your answers to some other guides and see if they come back with any further questions to be sure we've got it covered.

Love,

Robyn

Thank you very much Robyn

Hi Andrew,

You're more than welcome, Andrew!

AH - the one thing I missed was to ask you to give examples for #5. Will you please send examples?

5) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control. What makes things happen? How does it work? What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.

Love,

Robyn

Hi Andrew,

You're more than welcome, Andrew!

AH - the one thing I missed was to ask you to give examples for #5. Will you please send examples?

5) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control. What makes things happen? How does it work? What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.

An experiment/example: A thought arises to lift a glass, there is seeing the glass, there is touching and lifting of the glass while seeing then putting the glass back down. Then there is typing of a description of this experiment and thought about it all.

There is some waiting after without thought. A thought eventually arises to get up and knock on the door behind me (why not?) and the body gets up knocks on the door and sits back down to write up the description. Every word that is typed is also repeated in thought. The body exhales deeply.

Decision, intention, free will, choice and control are all concepts. They are not experienced. Just like the 'I'' thought is never experienced, these concepts are also not DE'd. In the examples one thing leads to another without any proof in DE that a doer does anything.

Love,
Andrew

Thanks, Andrew!

Good work.

In the examples one thing leads to another without any proof in DE that a doer does anything.

Good -- but in the examples, the description is that there is a chronological sequence. Have you noticed times when there is a thought yet the action doesn't happen or vice versa or the expected/logical sequence is not the way it goes?

(For example, I often find it amusing when the thought arises that I'm not going to do something or that something is too much trouble and I'm not going to do it, yet it happens anyway.)

Love,

Robyn

Hi Robyn,

Good -- but in the examples, the description is that there is a chronological sequence. Have you noticed times when there is a thought yet the action doesn't happen or vice versa or the expected/logical sequence is not the way it goes?

(For example, I often find it amusing when the thought arises that I'm not going to do something or that something is too much trouble and I'm not going to do it, yet it happens anyway.)

Yes Robyn, I noticed this quite a bit when contemplating/meditating or doing experiments. A thought may arise to do something, then another even countering that one saying 'let's not do it to prove the thought wrong'. hilarious to observe at times. Your example also rings true in my experience too sometimes.

Love

Andrew

Andrew,

hilarious to observe at times

Is there an observer?

Love,

Robyn

Andrew,

hilarious to observe at times

Is there an observer?

Love,

Robyn

No there is no observer a better word would be experience to avoid confusion.

Andrew