Are you tracking?

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Jadzia
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Re: Are you tracking?

Postby Jadzia » Wed Mar 14, 2018 6:35 am

This sounds wonderful.
Take your time, there is no hurry.

This is what we explored together: thought, control, decisions, choices, body, time and memory.
Any question concerning these topics?
Its honestly hard to remember what it was like before the dialogue is that normal?
Before” points to a memory, right? A thought. Yes, this happens. As you wrote: less dwelling in the past - more being right here in the Now.

Only one thing left to say: Enjoy and relax and let everything unfold in its own way. Don't resist anything just observe. :-)

Whatever you like to share share.

Love,
Jadzia

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Re: Are you tracking?

Postby BirdDog » Thu Mar 15, 2018 3:28 am

Heyyaaa , so I am fairly clear on the different topics that we explored. I am looking forward to exploring them more through looking ! I see the value in looking for myself. This is not something that can really be conveyed through words its something sought . I really want to thank you for helping point me for the past couple months it is extremely helpful! Do you feel there are any other areas/questions that would be helpful to explore?

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Re: Are you tracking?

Postby Jadzia » Thu Mar 15, 2018 7:16 am

Hi BirdDog,
Yes, best thing you can do is to stick to looking directly - this is the key. The unraveling might go on for some time and sometimes it might be challenging, sometimes not. No one can say how it will be for anyone. You will find that topics or areas for deeper investigation will rise on their own. There is the possibility for further investigations in this forum later on and a facebook group where one can share with others and ask questions.

I would like to give you our final questions. After answering them, the thread will be shown to other guides to see, if they have any more questions.
If this is ok for you, please take your time and answer them from your own experience.

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form?
Was there ever?

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.

3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue?
Please report from the past few days.

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?

5) a) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control.
b) What makes things happen? How does it work?
c) What are you responsible for?
d) Give examples from experience.

6) Anything to add?


Love,
Jadzia

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Re: Are you tracking?

Postby BirdDog » Fri Mar 16, 2018 4:09 pm

Heyyy im going out of town for the weekend and am unable to reply. going camping :) i will get back to you sunday !!! thanks much love

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Re: Are you tracking?

Postby Jadzia » Fri Mar 16, 2018 4:30 pm

Camping sounds wonderful!
Dry weather and a good time for you!

Love,
Jadzia

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Re: Are you tracking?

Postby BirdDog » Tue Mar 20, 2018 4:52 am

Hi yes I had an amazing time and great weather! thank you.

but yes that sound great to me.
1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form?
Was there ever?
No there is/was never a separate any of those.
2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.
Its basically everything that is not happening now. And even when "I" try to label/describe what is happening now, then that starts the "separation" or thoughts about something thats not happening. So another way to put it is thoughts pop into ones head, and we claim them as being my thoughts, originating out of self or from me. "I thought that" or "I am having that thought", then it goes one step further and the thoughts/ideas/and beliefs about ourselves and the world around us become "my" reality, they become us. And there are so many more examples and manifestations of the imaginary separate self. I could go on and on. what I described earlier is a way this cycle so to speak can start. But as far as when that cycle started was when we were very young. So how I see it now is I cannot find this Birddog? anywhere in experience. He only shows up in Ideas.
3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue?
Please report from the past few days.
It feels good to see this. There are times when the vail drops and there is just experience. And that is amazing. Then other times life is just going on and happening. I do and do not see a difference at the same time. Life is happening Just as it always has. Life is happening, just perception has changed. The relationship life/reality/ect. has with itself has changed. That was my experience over the last few days as well. There was one night in particular where I was sitting by the lake on a dock and meditating and there everything was . Just experience. And I sat there in complete awe. Then other times things were more leveled out so to speak.

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?
It just showed up

A)Decisions- well "I" can have thoughts about them, weigh the options, think a whole lot about a so called decision but really in a split second something just happens. and then the thought labels it as a decision.

Intention- Theres isn't something that has an intention, such as me or you. But I do believe there is Just intention. A power moving, a force, God, Something that holds life together and if we want to label that intention or a plan well then thats fine by me.

Free will- There isn't someone like a birddog who has or possesses free will. There is Will, And its whatever is happening. Yes and No at the same time.

Choice and Control. "I" have none :)

B) I don't have ideas about it. I cannot say. Because if I did then that would just be ideas and labels of it and not the actual thing. So im not even going to try to describe the thing that cannot be understood. Its a mystery.


C) Life or "this" continues to happen if I hold up to my "responsibilities" or not. I am not making this all come together, like "Birddog" is not responsible for all of this right now lol. I cannot find anything that I am responsible for. How can I be responsible for anything even if I wanted to be?

D) I think I did, If you want examples from something specific just let me know.
6) Anything to add?
I would love to hear from anyone who has any questions/ anything you would like to add

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Re: Are you tracking?

Postby Jadzia » Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:49 am

BirdDog, thank you very much.

I will show our thread to the other guides now and see if there are any questions or if someone wants to highlight something.
It might take a while.

See ya,
Jadzia

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Re: Are you tracking?

Postby Jadzia » Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:34 am

Ah, I see you are in blue now :-)

BirdDog, you will find a pm by admins and one from me.
I enjoyed being your guide very much - it really was a pleasure. Thank you!

Love,
Jadzia


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