mirage like self

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Re: mirage like self

Postby Pharao » Wed Mar 07, 2018 5:21 pm

Hey Sarah,
When you are at work see if you can check in on your direct experience? See if you can notice. Have a go. Especially if you are feeling stressed or angry or whatever is happening. If forgetting happens no worries, just try again when remembering happens!
If I intend to do it, I can notice. Does effort of any kind not just strengthens the illusion?

ciao Ramses

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Re: mirage like self

Postby Sarah7 » Thu Mar 08, 2018 8:03 am

Do you choose to make effort? Or is that an accompanying thought? ;)
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Re: mirage like self

Postby Pharao » Thu Mar 08, 2018 5:52 pm

Hey Sarah,
Do you choose to make effort? Or is that an accompanying thought?
Very cleaver you know how to bring it to the point.
No, there is no chooser of any kind. Choosing just happens.
If we are discussing, is there not any intention to direct the subject discussed to a certain direction?

ciao Ramses

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Re: mirage like self

Postby Sarah7 » Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:12 am

There might be. But does that mean attention goes there? Or stays there? Watch attention. What does it do?
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Re: mirage like self

Postby Pharao » Wed Mar 21, 2018 12:45 pm

Hi Sarah,

I am so sorry, I couldn’t answer you sone, cause I am on holiday, and really there is no internet here.
There might be. But does that mean attention goes there? Or stays there? Watch attention. What does it do?
Yes attention goes there and does not stay there. It is not permanent. It comes and goes.

Ciao Ramses

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Re: mirage like self

Postby Sarah7 » Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:36 am

Happy hols!
When you are at work see if you can check in on your direct experience? See if you can notice. Have a go. Especially if you are feeling stressed or angry or whatever is happening. If forgetting happens no worries, just try again when remembering happens! As much as possible.
What happens?
Hugs Sarah xxx
If you understand, things are just as they are; if you do not understand, things are just as they are.

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Re: mirage like self

Postby Pharao » Thu Mar 22, 2018 1:23 pm

Hi Sarah,
Happy hols!
When you are at work see if you can check in on your direct experience? See if you can notice. Have a go. Especially if you are feeling stressed or angry or whatever is happening. If forgetting happens no worries, just try again when remembering happens! As much as possible.
What happens?
Something happens a thought follows and remarks that I am stressed and must do something about it. Then there is a noticing of that process happening. A smiling comes as the things are seen as they are.

ciao Ramses

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Re: mirage like self

Postby Sarah7 » Fri Mar 23, 2018 7:44 am

Morning Ramses.
Anymore questions?

Have you seen through the illusion of self? Any doubts?
Hugs Sarah xxx
If you understand, things are just as they are; if you do not understand, things are just as they are.

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Re: mirage like self

Postby Pharao » Mon Mar 26, 2018 4:51 pm

Morning Sarah,
Anymore questions?
Have you seen through the illusion of self? Any doubts?
I have ponder on your question last days and I conclued that any more question is just The self playing the old play to survive. There is no separate self entity out there.
If doubt comes in, just asking the following questions make it clear: Who is it that thought it?. Who is it that want to know it?

ciao Ramses

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Re: mirage like self

Postby Sarah7 » Tue Mar 27, 2018 6:25 am

Rightyho then. ;)
So - just to sum up can you answer these in as much detail as you feel is necessary. Theres no rush! :)

Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?
Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience.
Describe it fully as you see it now.
How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.
What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?
Do you decide, intend, choose, control events in Life? Do you make anything happen? Give examples from your experience.
Anything to add?
Hugs Sarah xxx
If you understand, things are just as they are; if you do not understand, things are just as they are.

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Re: mirage like self

Postby Pharao » Wed Mar 28, 2018 5:40 pm

Hi Sarah,
Rightyho then. ;)
So - just to sum up can you answer these in as much detail as you feel is necessary. Theres no rush! :)
Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?
No, there is no separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form and it does never exist.
Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience.
Describe it fully as you see it now.
The illusion of separate self is a stream of thought that builds a center from which all experiences are interpreted. There is always the experiencing and then comes after that the interpretation of that experiencing from the illusory self which is just a constructed story.
How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.
It feels very liberating to just experience the life flawing as it is. The difference from before I started this dialogue is that there is now no one here being any more interested in any extraordinary experience. There is an acceptance of whatever is happening now. No resistance of any kind.
What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?
The following question:
“Is there still a need for endless happiness? If so, what would want that, and what is wrong with right now? “
Was the trigger that pushed me over and made me look through the illusory self.
Do you decide, intend, choose, control events in Life? Do you make anything happen? Give examples from your experience.
Events in life just happen, there is no decider, someone to intend anything, no chooser or controller of any kind. There is no one making anything happening. There is direct experience then a thought comes in and makes ownership of that experience. I sat down relaxed and has witnessed all that is happening around me. A few moment later the attention was not directed on any object. All that was there was like a movie. There were people passing away, thoughts coming and going. There was no judgment no opinions. Just witnessing. No one setting there and doing the witnessing or intending to do the witnessing. Just experiencing. Just life flowing.
Anything to add?
I have to thank you for your kindness and patience with me.

Ciao Ramses

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Re: mirage like self

Postby Sarah7 » Thu Mar 29, 2018 7:24 am

Hi Ramses
I’ve sent you a pm.
Hugs Sarah xxx
If you understand, things are just as they are; if you do not understand, things are just as they are.


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