Knock Knock

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JulianS
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Re: Knock Knock

Postby JulianS » Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:50 pm

Hi KAY, okay will answer the 6 questions....
1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form?
Was there ever?
No, there is not one. There was never one.
2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience.
Describe it fully as you see it now.
The illusion is that there is a central entity that is runing the thought and action show, that lives in a confinated and private space called "my body" and that from there "it" "I" moves the body and does the thinking. Actually there are only thoughts and actions taking place, sensations too, labells pointing to an I at the centre and control of all this, makes it appear as if there is someone "in here", but that does not make it true, they were allways just sensations thoughts, ie, experience. I am free to use the labell "I" to comunicate!!! Do not know when it starts, maybe when the body learnt to use language... And actually never "start" as a solid "thing" because the illusion is not even a thing.... So never started!!!!!! Heheheheheee


3) How does it feel to see this?
What is the difference from before you started this dialogue?
Please report from the past few days.
Okay, it is not the heaven expected hehehehehee...
It feels like an "Okay" to everything that is appearing. Yeah, that could describe it.
The difference is that kind of no longer wait for another experience, or for some shocking confirmation. Just this experience is enough. Maybe at the start of the dialogue there was more trust on what thought was saying, and now that does not matter that much, thought can say whatever it wants, that does not affect reallity.
It feels like a little new beginning of just living life....
4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?
At some point kind of "got it" that this was not a thought thing, that thought was never going to "get it". Thoughts can still say "I", that does not matter. So just look right now, LOOKING, is there an I? Do not find. Dot. Do not find an I is just what is happening, there is no no-i experience, there is experience. Kind of at some point "got" that and relaxed a bit.... Thought won`t get it, there is no no-i to catch heheheheheheheee. Maybe for your lovely insistence Kay :)
5) a) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control.
They are concepts that describe actions adding something that is not there. There is no way of choosing or controlling what is happening and there is nobody that could do that. What happens happens, then thought can labell what just happened as "I did that". The fact that thoughts appear and preferences manifest, and sensations, that does not mean there is "someone" who freely picks between options. It is complicated to describe concepts that point to nothing!!!!! Hahahahahaha What happens just happens, why add anything more hahahaha There is no "choosing" point, if u look for that will find that allways the "choose" comes as a description of what happened a sec ago.
b) What makes things happen? How does it work?
Absolutely no idea what makes things happen. Absolutely no idea how the world of the body work.
c) What are you responsible for?
Who?? Nothing is my responsability,
that is not to mean this body will stop living life and acting as if things matter and taking care of beloved ones or whatever happens. But the arisings of thoughts and actions, that does not include "me", they just happen. Also the unfolding of this matter is also happening on its own...
d) Give examples from experience.
Shall I stop feeding the dog because nothing is my responsability? Of course not. Am I making the thoughts about feeding a dog and the action of doing that appear ? No!! This body moves and reacts and responds and right now thinking appear "do not burn the food" so an akward sensation appear, and the repetitive thinking about not letting food burn, am I in control of this? No. Probably a sec after finishing this writing the body will stand and go and turn off the oven, is in anything of this any kind of "decision" about letting this thoughts or actions happening? No!!
Its an amaglam of thinking acting sensing perceiving and it is just in the description of what is happening that a "choosing" apparently existed, but is just a thought saying "Good job" or whatever. In actual experience there is just these happenings, this writing just now, these colours appearing on the screen, these thoughts, these sensations.
Just life living life.



Big hug Kay, thank you a lot for your guidance :)

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Re: Knock Knock

Postby JulianS » Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:54 pm

Forgot the 6) hehehe

Anything to add???


Thank you a lot :)

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Re: Knock Knock

Postby forgetmenot » Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:33 am

Hey Julian,

Thank you for your detailed responses to the questions.
Okay, it is not the heaven expected hehehehehee...
LOL! Love it!

Okay, so now I am going to get other guides to have a look to make sure that I have covered everything with you. There may or may not be further questions! This may take a couple of days, but once I have had feedback I will let you know.

I am going to send you a PM (private message) via the forum, so please keep an eye out for an email notification of this. If you don't get an email notice, then you can just come to the forum and click on the "Private messages" link that is at the top right hand side of the forum pages.

Much love, Kay
Nothing real can be threatened. Nothing unreal exists.

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Re: Knock Knock

Postby forgetmenot » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:09 pm

Hello Julian,

There are no further questions for you ....congratulation on

Congratulations, and welcome through the Gateless Gate. There are no further questions for you! It was such a pleasure walking with you and pointing the way. You were great.

Keep an eye out for a PM from the forum, which has some goodies for you from LU! I look forward to meeting you on FB. If you have any questions etc, please don't hesitate to contact me via the forum or via FB

Love, Kay
Nothing real can be threatened. Nothing unreal exists.


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