Never too late!

[Kaarin]

Body and senses of a body.

[Andrei]

Ok. Any sense of self connect with the body? Anything about the body that is "yours"?

And how do you know there is a body if you close your eyes?

[Kaarin]

Noup, there is no self and body just is with it's senses. When I close my eyes I can feel f.e. smell, warm, cold, pain etc..I can feel the body.

[Andrei]

Ok I dont think I have any more pointers to give. Im going to check with the other guides, see if theres something they would like to ask and if such the case I will get back to you.
What happens after that is that you will be contacted by an admin with more info. We have a few Facebook groups for further inquiry or after care so I hope to see you there.
Other than that, if you dont hear from me again, it was lovely chatting with you, and Im glad our conversation helped.
Oh and, in the eventuality that other hidden beliefs will start to show their ugly face from now on, remember to apply Direct Experience. Is there anything really there or is it just the mind playing games. :)

Have fun with it!


Andrei

[Kaarin]

Thank you, Andrei. I'm grateful I had you as a guide:) It was quite a journey for me!
Facebook group sounds good and in case I don't hear of you, wish you the best being ;)

[Andrei]

I have a few questions from a fellow guide:

Body with its senses? Where is body and where are the senses. Is body feeling the senses or body is a label over sensations. Is body the perceived? And which sensation is 'the body'?

What has changed in normal everyday situations since the start of the conversation?

[Kaarin]

Body is a label. It is like an instrument to experience this world. Senses are necessary for body to experience things. F.e. if a candle light is burning your finger, you take finger quickly off the fire. Otherwise finger burns. Senses keep body alive and people can experience things like music, scenery etc...
Body doesn't feel senses - I see senses are like a stream coming somewhere and body is label just as like a tree, some time in this world until it dies. Body is perceived only with senses, like seeing, touching, smelling ;), they are useful/straight experiences.

Quite a lot has changed since the start. I am observing my mind/self how it works. How it tries to set off stories and also when some old story appears in mind, can let it go as some useless thing. I was actually surprised how strongly mind tried to prevent me to see, to speak about the real feelings/ the truth.
Somehow it's easier to live this life now, more relaxed and enjoying. Anyhow, this process continues, i guess never ends ;)

[Andrei]

What is it that perceives the senses?

Is there anything about the body that still has a "personal" touch in it?

[Kaarin]

This is interesting. There is no me/self and body is just a label so body cannot perceive senses. Senses are perceived over body, they just come somewhere.

I think there is nothing personal in body anymore
Body has become a tool for me now, a tool which makes this life possible in this earth.

[Andrei]

Thank you.

How was it the past few days, did looking became the new norm? Is there somebody doing the looking or is looking simply happening?

[Kaarin]

Looking happens almost by itself. But, I notice that want to be sure and take time to calm down (from work and other stuff) and let looking happen.
This way I have noticed how mind tries to mix me up.
Anyhow looking starts to happen by itself easier all the time.

[Andrei]

This way I have noticed how mind tries to mix me up.

This sounds like there's a battle going on between two things, two entities, "you" and the mind.
Can you explain?
What is the mind again? What does it want?

[Kaarin]

Yes, mind wants to control. And when there is no mind... yes I can see what you mean.

Usually when I read your reply and let looking happen, it's natural, it just happens. But very often I have no time to answer immediatelly and when I have time and calm down it first shows up thouhgts, mind starts to explain it.

I have noticed it, and start to observe how mind works. When I just let thoughts be, look the item you ask, it is natural.

[Andrei]

I don't think you see what I mean.
You're talking like there's a thing called ''mind", an independent entity of sorts.
You're not looking.

[Kaarin]

It seems that I need to take time to learn seeing. I suggest that I'll be back after couple of days...ok?