Free from prison of feelings

[Bambaji]

Hi

Again, look, are you telling a story around seeing it?
I'm not quite sure what u meen... I just get my mind in a node with this

What I mean is the difference between seeing and acceptance of that just as it is, and the story that goes "I haven't seen yet, what am I missing, there must be something as I should surely feel something etc etc". How will you know when you are really SEEING it!! Lol :)

Not everything is story. It looks like it could be until you look a little closer. Sound labelled "tweet" isn't story, but story can say that "a blue bird down the street made that sound". Flavour labelled "sweet" isn't a story, but story can be, "I love chocolate ice cream." Image isn't story, but thought could say, "Wow! What a spectacular sunset!" Seeing isn't a story, but thought could say "How amazing, I have seen through the illusion".
See the difference?

There are edges and a ring to hold the cup. I see the colors and the pictures in the cup. I see a part of the inside of the cup that is white. Hmm.. How do I know that it's inside! My thoughts and experience! (Lol) ! So I really just see an area that is white. Tree-dimensionality is not seen. Only the cups edge from the behind looks a bit round. And also the front edge looks round, where the colour difference is seen. The opening itself is really not seen. My thoughts are shouting that there it is, but it is not seen!!

Exactly, and the point of this exercise is to report only on what you are seeing, despite what thought jumps in with. Well done! Is there such a thing as shade which gives dimension, or is that just another colour that we are calling shade and assuming it means there is a dimension!!? Excellent.

Another exercise:
Look into how thoughts work. Sit quietly for about 30 minutes and notice the arising thoughts. Just let them appear as they appear. Try your best to COMPLETELY ignore what they are saying and just notice how they appear, without you doing anything at all.
1. Did you do anything to make a particular thought or thoughts appear? Could you have done anything to make a different thought appear at that exact moment instead?
2. Where are they coming from and going to? Is there a thinker?
3. Can you select from a range of thoughts to have only pleasant thoughts?
4. Is it possible to prevent a thought from appearing? Including the thought 'I'?
5. It seems that thought has some logical ordered appearance, but look carefully and just notice if there is an organised sequence? Or is that just another thought that says ‘these thoughts are in sequence’ or “they take content from previous thought”, or that ‘one thought follows another thought’?

Hugs xx

[Inkeri]

Hi!

I had some trouble with my phone. It didn't load this newes post until now. I'll do the 30min excercise tomorrow and report to you in the evening. Thanks 😘
Good night!

[Bambaji]

Ok poppet xx

[Inkeri]

Hey!

Okay..

What I mean is the difference between seeing and acceptance of that just as it is, and the story that goes "I haven't seen yet, what am I missing, there must be something as I should surely feel something etc etc". How will you know when you are really SEEING it!! Lol :)

Yes. I have a loud story-teller here! But gladly I have started to notice it more! And what comes to this seeing, there might be storys mixed to the reality. When I look closely, right now everything is in peace.

So the ~30min exercise:

1. Did you do anything to make a particular thought or thoughts appear? Could you have done anything to make a different thought appear at that exact moment instead?
2. Where are they coming from and going to? Is there a thinker?
3. Can you select from a range of thoughts to have only pleasant thoughts?
4. Is it possible to prevent a thought from appearing? Including the thought 'I'?
5. It seems that thought has some logical ordered appearance, but look carefully and just notice if there is an organised sequence? Or is that just another thought that says ‘these thoughts are in sequence’ or “they take content from previous thought”, or that ‘one thought follows another thought’?

1. No and no. But I have to say that after a buisy day like this, a lot of things that has happened were circuling in my head. And it was a bit hard just to stay and observe. The story-teller was keen to do it's work! 😬

2. Thoughts just seem to come and go. I guess they just are in the 'air'. It seems that the thoughts just flote around and some of them come to my awareness. But some of the thoughts stick in the mind and then it seems that there is a thinker. Like; apples. 'Hmm.. Did we have apples at home or do I need to by more when I go to the store?'.

3. No I can't choose the thoughts. I can stay objective and not to follow them.

4. Can't either prevent a thought to come. 'Do not think of an pink elephant'. 😝

5. Didn't find any organised sequence in the thoughts. They just pop up.

Thanks for this and sorry it took a while to response 😘

Xx

[Inkeri]

I think you could shoot me with the six questions..

😅

[Bambaji]

Good afternoon honey

Thanks for your reply, I'm amazed you get round to doing the exercises I send you with everything else you've got going on!

Just a couple of quick clarifying questions from your last response before we move to the final questions:

But some of the thoughts stick in the mind and then it seems that there is a thinker

Yeah, sneaky huh?!! So easy to get caught up in it again.

No I can't choose the thoughts. I can stay objective and not to follow them

Can you really not follow a thought? You've said that you can't prevent a thought appearing, how would you stop yourself following one? Would it not involve another thought?

Can you stop the 'I' thought from appearing? How many times did you use the words 'I', 'me', 'mine' today??!!

And - a repeat question - can you give me a loud YES that you have seen through the illusion of self? Any doubts here?

Thanks Inkeri, I look forward to your answers :)

xx

[Inkeri]

Hey 😚

Can you really not follow a thought? You've said that you can't prevent a thought appearing, how would you stop yourself following one? Would it not involve another thought?

What I ment about not following thoughts, was that when they stick, I just notice them, stay objective and let them be/ go. Because some times mind wants to belive them and the rollercoaster is ready!

Can you stop the 'I' thought from appearing? How many times did you use the words 'I', 'me', 'mine' today??!!

Can't stop the 'I' thought... But I think it's more the lable-way now. I have used it many times allready today 😅

And - a repeat question - can you give me a loud YES that you have seen through the illusion of self? Any doubts here?

YES! And no doubts about 'me' existing anymore. Just learning to notice more and more every day and more importantly notice what happens now!!

Hugs xx

[Bambaji]

Hiya

Lovely answers, thank you.

Ok then, the final questions. Once you have sent me your answers I will post them on the LU Facebook page where other guides can take a look at what you've written. They may have more questions for you, not because anything you have written will be wrong, just looking for absolute clarity. Please answer fully and with your usual 100% looking :) Here you go:

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.

3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?

5) Can you talk about decision, intention, free will, choice and control? What makes things happen? How does it work? What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.

6) Anything to add?

With love

xxx

[Inkeri]

Hiya!

Here we go ;)

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

In my experience, no. And never was. It is only a story we people started to believe in for long time ago. And it became so 'normal' that only few question it's reality.

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.

The illusion of separate self holds with in the whole package that we, as experiencers are. Personality, name, sex, family history, body etc... My feeling is that it starts to develop to a child when he/she is few years old. When the child starts to notice it's body and how people around react to different acts or sayings. They learn from adults. 'This is my toy' - for example. The identification to the body-mind-complex begins and they forget that these are only tools to experience the world with. Senses and thoughts are around us every day to bring color to our experience. The point is to stay objective and just observe what happens. Not to take anything as 'mine'. They just are.

3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

It feels a bit empty but at the same time really full, peaceful and liberating. I do not take things that happen personally anymore and that is a big relief! I do not try to control things around, because it is not possible. And it saves a whole lot of energy :). Feelings like shame, for example, do not appear anymore, because there is no-one to be ashamed about. Life is much more free and it seems bigger some how. It feels like a new world to me, no boundaries. Anything is possible. And I find that it is much easier to accept things the way they are at the moment (because that's the only thing that is true). No resistance, like before.

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?

Oh gosh... I was so tired of my self built prison, that I believed in. I had feelings that I want to go as far as I can and not to take 'me' with me!! (how absurd!!!) Felt really crazy! I was feeling bad almost every day and had been banging my head to the wall long enough. It felt like I had nothing to loose. (which turned out to be true!)

5) Can you talk about decision, intention, free will, choice and control? What makes things happen? How does it work? What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.

Hmm.. I have a feeling that in some level there is no need.. In my experience decisions can be 'made', or should I say the choise seems so obvious at that time that there was never a decision to be made. I have noticed that things just happen, nothing makes them to happen. When I listen and stay 'tuned', everything just floats and things happen 'on their own'. What am I responsible for? Well.. I have been given this journey of experience. This body for example. I am responsible to take good care of it. And of course my child. Life is happening as before, I have a house that I'm living in, husband and family. Of course I am responsible for the physical part of things in my experience, what have been given to 'me'.

6) Anything to add?

No. And don't want to take anything away either ;)
Just a big warm thank you to you Bambaji and everyone else that are doing this! <3

Xx

[Bambaji]

Thank you very much for your answers. I shall show them to the other guides and see if any follow questions are asked. This may take a couple of days, so don't worry if you don't hear back immediately.

In the meantime, I shall send you a private message via this forum, there is a tab at the top that shows if you have a message. At some point, when our conversation is "done" this thread will be archived. From then we can PM each other to stay in touch, or link up in other ways if you would like.

When you send a message, it will stay in the outbox until it is read, which can be incredibly confusing and I know from my experience that I have sent 3 or messages before now, not realising how it worked!!

I'll be in touch soon. Until them, go gently

Love xx

[Inkeri]

Ok, thanks!

We'll be in touch 😊
Xxx

[Bambaji]

Hi Inkeri

I have an additional question you from one of the other guides:

Ok, there are no boundaries. There are no objects 'out there' and 'me' looking at them. But it seems that there is still an "I"?
Where is this I? Look inside and outside of you - find the I. Report back please.

Thanks poppet

xx

[Inkeri]

Hey!

Hmm... I see it like this: 'I' as an experiencer is an awareness that is looking at the world through 'my' eyes. It is everywhere at the same time.

Maybe what still confuses me a little is that in this physical world we 'people' experience different things in all around the world. ...so what?! They all are experiences. One is not better than another. They are just experiences. Like trees are just standing in their spot, all around the world. "Treeing".

😅
Xx

[Bambaji]

Hiya

Maybe what still confuses me a little is that in this physical world we 'people' experience different things in all around the world. ...so what?! They all are experiences. One is not better than another. They are just experiences. Like trees are just standing in their spot, all around the world. "Treeing"

Quite right, one is not better than the other. Trees are treeing, people are peopling!! They are all experiences and, as we said a while back, the leaves connected to the tree are not separate but they are all having their own experience within that connectedness. It is a bit confusing when we over-think it, but if you just look and look and look again - where is the confusion? What is there to be confused?

Another question based on one of your replies:

"What I ment about not following thoughts, was that when they stick, I just notice them, stay objective and let them be/ go. Because some times mind wants to belive them and the rollercoaster is ready!"

Who or what, in experience, does this noticing?

Is there someone, somewhere in experience, that let thoughts go?

Thanks Inkeri :)

Love x

[Bambaji]

Hiya - another clarification please:

Go back to Q5 of the "big 6":

5) Can you talk about decision, intention, free will, choice and control? What makes things happen? How does it work? What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.
Hmm.. I have a feeling that in some level there is no need.. In my experience decisions can be 'made', or should I say the choise seems so obvious at that time that there was never a decision to be made. I have noticed that things just happen, nothing makes them to happen. When I listen and stay 'tuned', everything just floats and things happen 'on their own'. What am I responsible for? Well.. I have been given this journey of experience. This body for example. I am responsible to take good care of it. And of course my child. Life is happening as before, I have a house that I'm living in, husband and family. Of course I am responsible for the physical part of things in my experience, what have been given to 'me'.

"I am responsible" - is this an experience or a thought about experience?

Thank you!

xx