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[yoyo]

. Just to qualify that thoughtsensationtastesmellcoloursound appear AS AE and not IN AE. That would mean that they are contained in something and that there is a something that appears in something = two. Can anything be found that contains thoughtsensationtastesmellcoloursound (AE)?

hmmmm..... yes was slipping into AE experienced in awareness .Awareness not a thing hmmm....so just AE and thought of memory of experience just a thought appearing now. no one to to have memory.puzzleing!!and puzzleing just a thought. Damn

[yoyo]

. So, was anything found lurking underneath or behind the ‘fear’?

yes a thought of me being afraid of "i"being experiencer. Damn
Thnx kay sleepy now. Will answer or try to clarify any questions u post tomorrow
Much love
Allen

[forgetmenot]

Hey Allen,

.I don’t follow what you are saying here, Allen. You mean awareness of where the sensations are happening in the body and that there hasn’t been an awareness of the sensations being in the body before?

yes where in the body the emotion and ive noticed this unchanging awareness since i was very young thinking it resided in the color image Labeled Allen/ body

Okay…thanks for explaining. We will be looking at the body in depth later…but let’s touch on it now.

Press a finger down onto the top of the ‘head’
Notice what is actually present.
Is it a head, or is it just sensation labelled ‘pressure’ and thoughts/mental images ABOUT a head?

Can a head actually be seen? Can you actually see your head right now?
So can an actual ‘head’ be found?

Now thoughts arise in AE about awareness ,always been there, meaning, all thoughts and yet some point to something.

I don’t follow this either. Can you explain what you mean please?

yes.refering to realizing that previous statement was just a thought appearing now about a "state of awareness always being there" and questioning if thought pointed to some experience

Nice LOOKING past the surface of what thought says to actually see what is!

. So, some thought points to AE in that the label ‘fear’ points to a sensation in the body? Is that what you are saying: and that other thoughts just point to further thought story ABOUT fear?

yes exactly

Terrific! Nice breakdown of story into AE :)

. Sensation are sensations and thoughts are thought. So sensation appears AS actual experience as does thought. But what thought says the sensation is, ie fear and what thought say ABOUT fear is just a story.
Can you see this?

yesyes both stories about sensation labeled "fear"

Great! I know that this can become repetitive, but I like to make sure that what is being pointed at is very clear. Confusion and doubt have a habit of reappearing! :)

Just to qualify that thoughtsensationtastesmellcoloursound appear AS AE and not IN AE. That would mean that they are contained in something and that there is a something that appears in something = two. Can anything be found that contains thoughtsensationtastesmellcoloursound (AE)?

hmmmm..... yes was slipping into AE experienced in awareness .Awareness not a thing hmmm....so just AE and thought of memory of experience just a thought appearing now. no one to to have memory.puzzleing!!and puzzleing just a thought. Damn

Yes! "Awareness" is not a thing. It is a concept that describes the process of thoughts arising about the thoughts that arise.

The word ‘awareness’, ‘consciousness’ and ‘experience’ are all words used that point to the knowingknown. Unfortunately the word ‘awareness’ and ‘consciousness’ have a lot of meaning attached to them, so I use the word ‘experience’ or ‘knowingknown’.

. So, was anything found lurking underneath or behind the ‘fear’?

yes a thought of me being afraid of "i"being experiencer. Damn

Yes, but other than a thought, was there anything found in the sensation labelled ‘fear’, or is it just a sensation?

Here is another exercise about seeing WHAT IS, as opposed to what thought says it is!

As you have seen, thought tends to add “virtual layers” about experience, by adding story about what IS. The more complex the idea, the more “virtual layers” have been added. So what needs to happen is to strip the layers of story away, until all that remains is the bare bones. And, there is way to determine when you have stripped away all the layers that are pure fantasy, and you have only the bare bones left. If you can replace the thought with “blahblahblah” and what it was referring to remains, you know you are down to the bare bones.

So, for example: thought says: “There is sound.” Now, replace the thought with “blahblahblah.” Look at experience, with thought only saying “blahbahblah.” Is there still sound? If yes, that thought is referring to actual experience. That’s a “bare bones” thought, with all additional story layers stripped.

Now, if thought says: “I am hearing that sound,” replace the thought with “blahblahblah.” Look at experience, with thought only saying “blahblahblah.”

Is there a person hearing, without the thought saying so? If no, then you know that the thought has added “virtual layers.” It’s fantasy, and it isn’t confirmed as actual experience, because what it was saying didn’t remain when the thought was replaced with “blahblahblah.”

That’s the inquiry. So for every thought that comes up, to determine whether it is referring to actual experience or whether it is pure fantasy, replace it with “blahblahblah” and check whether what it was referring to remains.

Next time a story about 'fear' appears with sensations, do the above exercise and let me know what you find.

Much love,
Kay
xx

[yoyo]

Is it a head, or is it just sensation labelled ‘pressure’ and thoughts/mental images ABOUT a head?.

all inference story actually ABOUT a head

[yoyo]

. Can a head actually be seen? Can you actually see your head right now?
So can an actual ‘head’ be found?

nope no brain or eyes or ears either.only thought stories and some sensation

[yoyo]

. Yes, but other than a thought, was there anything found in the sensation labelled ‘fear’, or is it just a sensation?

empty of everything except sensation and thought story labellocationmeaning wow cant see what was first.all thought and sensation same accurance?NO NO sensation first. Crap need to look more.wowjust more thoughts appearing about a"me understanding".Yes other than thought just sensation.

[yoyo]

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. Yes, but other than a thought, was there anything found in the sensation labelled ‘fear’, or is it just a sensation?

will do blahblahblah excersize today and report
Love Allen-:))

[yoyo]

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Next time a story about 'fear' appears with sensations, do the above exercise and let me know what you find

will do exercise throughtout the day and report
Love Allen-:))

[forgetmenot]

Good morning, Allen,

Is it a head, or is it just sensation labelled ‘pressure’ and thoughts/mental images ABOUT a head?.

all inference story actually ABOUT a head

Yes, but drop all thought and mental images ABOUT a head…what is actually there? There is a sensation, is there not? That is what I wanted you to notice. The sensation cannot infer anything, it is an appearance. It is thought that seemingly infers. But I wanted you to notice the sensation.

. Can a head actually be seen? Can you actually see your head right now?

So can an actual ‘head’ be found?

nope no brain or eyes or ears either.only thought stories and some sensation

Yes, thought and sensation. And it is the sensation that thought continually refers to as the ‘proof’ that there is a body and that the body is alive and that there is a ‘you’ that resides in the body.

. Yes, but other than a thought, was there anything found in the sensation labelled ‘fear’, or is it just a sensation?

empty of everything except sensation and thought story label location meaning wow cant see what was first. all thought and sensation same accurance? NO NO sensation first. Crap need to look more.wowjust more thoughts appearing about a"me understanding".Yes other than thought just sensation.

It doesn’t matter what comes first. That is just more thought. There is no ‘coming first’, that implies time and there is no time.

LOOK again, can you find any differences between experience labelled as thought, as sensation, as colour or are they just experience appearing as thought, sensation and colour.

Does sensation know that it is sensation or that it is different to thought?
Does thought know it is thought and that it is different to sound?
Does sound know that it is sound and that it is different to colour?
Does colour know that it is colour and that it is different to taste?
Does taste know that it is taste and that it is different to smell?
What exactly is it (entity/thing/person) that is experiencing experience and is experiencing experience as different? Where is the dividing line between soundsensationthoughtsmelltastecolour?

Yes, but other than a thought, was there anything found in the sensation labelled ‘fear’, or is it just a sensation?
will do blahblahblah excersize today and report

Next time a story about 'fear' appears with sensations, do the above exercise and let me know what you find
will do exercise throughtout the day and report

Terrific! :)

Love, Kay
xx

[yoyo]

. Does sensation know that it is sensation or that it is different to thought?
Does thought know it is thought and that it is different to sound?
Does sound know that it is sound and that it is different to colour?
Does colour know that it is colour and that it is different to taste?
Does taste know that it is taste and that it is different to smell?
What exactly is it (entity/thing/person) that is experiencing experience and is experiencing experience as different? Where is the dividing line between soundsensationthoughtsmelltastecolour?

first five questions are answered the same.NO Actual experience can know anything 100 %.and no dividing line or no beginning or end. Just happening. Hmmm....(entity thing person) is thought.experiencing experiencei is a knowing known. shit looking hard and cant find what is actually knowing or experiencing . the known and experience appear as a thought memory appearing now.shit no wait...NOW its all AE NOW!!!!!

[yoyo]

. Does sensation know that it is sensation or that it is different to thought?
Does thought know it is thought and that it is different to sound?
Does sound know that it is sound and that it is different to colour?
Does colour know that it is colour and that it is different to taste?
Does taste know that it is taste and that it is different to smell?
What exactly is it (entity/thing/person) that is experiencing experience and is experiencing experience as different? Where is the dividing line between soundsensationthoughtsmelltastecolour?

well crap now is a thought inAE oh well dont know what it is and there is no dividing line between between soundsensethoughtsmellcolortaste

[forgetmenot]

Hey Allen,

Does sensation know that it is sensation or that it is different to thought?
Does thought know it is thought and that it is different to sound?
Does sound know that it is sound and that it is different to colour?
Does colour know that it is colour and that it is different to taste?
Does taste know that it is taste and that it is different to smell?
What exactly is it (entity/thing/person) that is experiencing experience and is experiencing experience as different? Where is the dividing line between soundsensationthoughtsmelltastecolour?

first five questions are answered the same. NO Actual experience can know anything 100 %. and no dividing line or no beginning or end. Just happening. Hmmm....(entity thing person) is thought. experiencing experiencei is a knowing known. shit looking hard and cant find what is actually knowing or experiencing . the known and experience appear as a thought memory appearing now. shit no wait...NOW its all AE NOW!!!!!

well crap now is a thought in AE oh well dont know what it is and there is no dividing line between between soundsensethoughtsmellcolortaste

Experience is self-aware and needs nothing to know what it is. Experience does not need to be told what it is....experience IS soundtastesmellcolourthoughtsensation.

Can you find a dividing line between experience and soundtastesmellcolourthoughtsensation?
When hearing ‘tweettweet’ is a thought needed to know that it is sound? When taste appears, is a thought needed to say that it is taste?

And since there is no dividing line between knowingknown, then there can’t possibly be a person/entity/thing. THIS just IS.

What I would like you to do is to go somewhere quiet, without distractions. Close your eyes and just listen to appearing sound. How is it known (what says) that the appearing sound(s) are different? LOOK carefully, are the sounds different or are they just sound?

There is a belief that labels have a one-to-one correspondence with ‘reality’. But they don't. It is a generally accepted belief that labels like ‘good’ and ‘bad’ are inherent characteristics of ‘things’. But actually, they are not.

Here is an interesting exercise in how labels do not have a one-to-one correspondence with reality:

When you look at the word label ‘GREEN’, what is the actual experience?
Is the colour red experienced, or is the colour green experienced as the label suggests?
Do the labels have a one-to-one correspondence with ‘reality’?
Or do the labels suggest something else other than what is here and now (red colour)?
Is green-ness inherent attributes of the experience of the colour red, or is green just a word label on the experience of the colour red?

If the label ‘GREEN’ is replaced with the label ‘GOOD’ or ‘BAD’, is the redness affected in any way as the labels suggests?
Does redness become ‘good’ or ‘bad’, or do the labels have no effect whatsoever on ‘reality’?

Love, Kay
xx

[yoyo]

. Can you find a dividing line between experience and soundtastesmellcolourthoughtsensation?
When hearing ‘tweettweet’ is a thought needed to know that it is sound? When taste appears, is a thought needed to say that it is taste?

no thought needed to knowAE.no dividing line or separation hmmmm.....just had sensatiion labeled "fear "and did blablablah.just sensation.hmmm....experience and soundtastesmellthoughtcolor same.No seperation

[yoyo]

. What I would like you to do is to go somewhere quiet, without distractions. Close your eyes and just listen to appearing sound. How is it known (what says) that the appearing sound(s) are different? LOOK carefully, are the sounds different or are they just sound?

just sound and thought appearing to assign qualities.hmmmm.... with no labels just sound.such an urge to make sound split up into different sounds.just sound appearing .wanted to say in AE again.i see just sound appearing

[yoyo]

. When you look at the word label ‘GREEN’, what is the actual experience?
Is the colour red experienced, or is the colour green experienced as the label suggests?
Do the labels have a one-to-one correspondence with ‘reality’?
Or do the labels suggest something else other than what is here and now (red colour)?
Is green-ness inherent attributes of the experience of the colour red, or is green just a word label on the experience of the colour red?

If the label ‘GREEN’ is replaced with the label ‘GOOD’ or ‘BAD’, is the redness affected in any way as the labels suggests?
Does redness become ‘good’ or ‘bad’, or do the labels have no effect whatsoever on ‘reality’?

great example. Thought green wait...words appear as thoughts and r only color like in example.and a color can point to.No a color cant do anything but be a color appearing.labels have no affect on the actual they are only thought and cant do anything.and have no power to suggest anything.and sensations just appear. Thought cant do anything accept appear. wOW
Thnx for pointing love the q's
Love allen