Guide available - Breaking first fetter / Stream Entry / Emptiness of Self

[Xain]

It has been four days now without a reply from you.
Do you wish to continue?

Xain ♥

[magicking27]

Yes, this has been a few days of fascination with the universe.

It is necessary to explore sometimes. Let me look at your questions again and answer.

[magicking27]

4) Was there something you looked into or something I may have mentioned that made you fully realise - Was there a moment where you 'tipped over' into realising 'no self'?

It started to become very clear when doing the sensory exercises. There is no real center. It is just a convenient illusion. It is all just shapes and colors. When that was clearly noticed it was hard to continue holding on to the sorts of background thoughts such as "my perspective"

There were some follow up questions you asked that seemed to lead to this.

But I don't think anything exactly tipped anything since there isn't really anything to be tipped.

5) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control as you understand it now. What makes things happen? How does it work? What are you responsible for? Please give examples from experience if you can.

It all happens without intention. There are thoughts which come up and perhaps seem to guide the actions of the body and create thoughts about the body and the environment. These come up without needing any prompting or control from me.

It was necessary to solve a financial issue in the last few days. Ideas on how to solve it came up. Decision types of thoughts occurred that were about what to do. Actions were taken. Negative sensations were experiences that were observed. Positive sensations were experiences that were observed. But there was no I or me necessary in any of it. It is just a collection of things occurring that can be observed. Even the observing is just something that comes and goes.

Last night I was not sleeping well and observed thoughts for a long time. There are many pictures that come up, and thoughts about the pictures. Sometimes sensations follow the thoughts. None require a self.

6) Do you have anything further you would like to add?

It seems fairly easy for thoughts to continue coming up which are very "self" oriented. Sometimes these are "toothless" and sometimes they seem to bounce around creating other thoughts which create anxious feelings. Fear. Doubt. Anger.

There are patterns.

When my children are in danger there is a tendency for fear and anger to arise.

When emails from financial institutions arrive in my inbox sensations of anxiety arise.

They are unpleasant.

Even with clarity about recognizing them as just things occurring they are still experienced as unpleasant sensations in that moment.

Thoughts of desire and pleasure also frequently come up.

Even with clarity about recognizing them as just things occurring they still are felt as intoxicating sensations in that moment.

The thought of escaping or changing comes up. This is just a thought and refers to something that does not exist. But it comes up frequently.

What is the next step?

[Xain]

Sorry for the delay in getting back to you.
I am awaiting some replies from other guides.
I will respond shortly.

Xain ♥

[magicking27]

It's all good.

[Xain]

The other guides have had a look at out conversation and have confirmed that you've 'gone through the gate'.
Congratulations! And thank you for an enjoyable discussion.

There are some LU groups on Facebook for new arrivals, aftercare and further looking. If you wish me to add you to the groups (and you are on Facebook), then please send me your Facebook name or page link in a private email and I will get you added to them (click the red name 'Xain' to the top-right of the window, and choose 'Send private message').

What is the next step?

Well 'seeing no self' is only the first step in a series of realisations that you could look into if you have the interest.
Or you could leave it there.

In the Buddhist path, the next thing to examine would be fetters 4 and 5 - These are 'desire and aversion'.
Even though someone could realise that there is no inherent self, there may still be suffering. There will still be a belief that there is something here that is pushed and pulled about by life.
If this particular path interests you, then I can add you to a group for that you can have a look at (on Facebook).

Alternatively, there are books you can turn to if that is more your line, or you can ask for further guidance from guides within the groups on this forum.

Best wishes for the future, and thank you again
Xain ♥

[magicking27]

There is so much gratitude for your guidance. You were very forceful at not letting the delusional thought patterns keep sneaking into control, and incredibly patient.

There are some LU groups on Facebook for new arrivals, aftercare and further looking. If you wish me to add you to the groups (and you are on Facebook), then please send me your Facebook name or page link in a private email and I will get you added to them (click the red name 'Xain' to the top-right of the window, and choose 'Send private message').

In the Buddhist path, the next thing to examine would be fetters 4 and 5 - These are 'desire and aversion'.
Even though someone could realise that there is no inherent self, there may still be suffering. There will still be a belief that there is something here that is pushed and pulled about by life.
If this particular path interests you, then I can add you to a group for that you can have a look at (on Facebook).

Yes, please.

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