Tat Tvam Asi

[Frankos]

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

No, there is not and there wasn't ever. That can be seen now.

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.

The separate self illusion is just a pattern of totally unnecessary thoughts.
It uses language to create a belief that there exists something that is in control, something that makes decisions, acquires things and is in control. This is all false!

3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference (if anything) from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

There is no difference to anything that is happening, just an inner feeling of letting go.
Not so wrapped up in these thoughts any more. Thoughts now are like a whole bunch of kids bouncing around on a trampoline in my back yard now. I know most of them but I'm not part of them. I'm not those thoughts.

[DanielP]

Hi Frank,

Good! Let's clear up a few things and then we'll go to the last three questions.

The separate self illusion is just a pattern of totally unnecessary thoughts.
It uses language to create a belief that there exists something that is in control, something that makes decisions, acquires things and is in control. This is all false!

A pattern of thoughts, yes, but are they really 'unnecessary' or just not absolutely true? For instance, is the thought : I have to brush my teeth, unnecessary?

3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference (if anything) from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

There is no difference to anything that is happening, just an inner feeling of letting go.
Not so wrapped up in these thoughts any more. Thoughts now are like a whole bunch of kids bouncing around on a trampoline in my back yard now. I know most of them but I'm not part of them. I'm not those thoughts.

Letting go, yes, not so wrapped up in thoughts, yes. When you say 'I'm not those thoughts', are thoughts somehow separate from this experience-ing?

Now the three questions:

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?

5) Describe decision, intention, free Will, choice and control. What makes things happen? How does it work? What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.

6) Anything to add?

Regards

Daniel

[Frankos]

For instance, is the thought : I have to brush my teeth, unnecessary?

The pattern of thoughts are not the absolute truth. The thought to brush my teeth has a function but it just happens and brushing my teeth just happens. They just happen but are not such a big deal.
The realization is that many many beliefs are just conceptual and built from other beliefs from thinking what has been taught to this apparent me was the truth.

are thoughts somehow separate from this experience-ing?

The thoughts are still part of this experience-ing, for example they happen as a tool for maintenance of this body e.g. ‘need to brush my teeth’. There is a liberation from these thoughts but they still continue.

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?

I was watching a speaker give a talk in front of people and I watched how he talked, how he moved his body and how he made his expressions. I sat there and thought about what I’ve read here. Things just happen but there is nobody home, they just happen. Then something happened to me at that time and it seemed to all make sense, fall into place. There was a change.

5) Describe decision, intention, free Will, choice and control. What makes things happen? How does it work? What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.

Decision, intention, free will, choice and control still will occur. They are part of the script of the movie showing on the big screen. But, there’s now a freedom from them. I’m not responsible for them and they just happen. It’s like playing a guitar and being conscious of every finger on the fretboard and on the strings, conscious of where they are and where they have to move to next.
Now it’s like not being so attached to those finger thoughts any more and liberated from the thought patterns though they are still occurring.

6) Anything to add?

This is amazing.

[DanielP]

Hi Frank,

It’s like playing a guitar and being conscious of every finger on the fretboard and on the strings, conscious of where they are and where they have to move to next.
Now it’s like not being so attached to those finger thoughts any more and liberated from the thought patterns though they are still occurring.

Fingers move on their own :)

At the end a process like this, it is customary on the forum to ask 6 questions that summarize the process. This is to ensure that you have SEEN the illusion of a separate self. You already answer these questions.

I will now invite other guides to read your answers to make sure everything is clear. Eventually, some additional questions might be asked if clarification is needed.

I'll be back soon.

Regards

Daniel

[Frankos]

Thank you Daniel.

[DanielP]

Hi Frank,

Your latest answers as well as our conversation in general were reviewed by other guides and we would like to Welcome you through the Gateless Gate !

It's been a real pleasure talking to you.

There is some groups on Facebook that you'll be invited to join. This is optional but It's helpful to have a support structure and be able to discuss any integrating issues if any. Also, some of these groups are geared towards guiding in case you ever feel the need to get involved.

If you don't have a FB account, now's a good time to think about getting one. I will contact you via PM to talk about what's next :)

Lovingly

Daniel