Thread for Biggles

[jowate]

HI S,

I'm getting some other guides to review the thread now and here's one question that's emerged: What is it that is "accepting" the inevitable demise of this "me"? Yes, the body is going to die, but given that "I" is is seen/known to be just a mental fabrication, what is it that is doing the accepting that "I" will die?

T.x

[Biggles]

Hi T..

The point of the dream, which came after the end of the retreat and seemed like a culmination of it, wasnt that "I" was accepting "my own" death.... It felt more like an opening out, a dropping of that kind of framework... There was just an accepting as an inevitable part of direct experience/awareness... Even to say that implies somebody who accepted but that wasnt the feeling.... There was/is a relinquishing of all that... a relinquishing of sense of a controller... But not a relinquishing by anybody... An emptiness where concepts just dont ultimately apply...

Almost as if most or all of this needs inverted commas.... All the concepts and the attempts to articulate the experience are secondary and not the reality itself.....

S x

[jowate]

Great, that seems clear. I'm now going to put the thread up for review by any LU guides who care to read through it, so there may (or may not) be further clarification questions...

T.x

[Biggles]

Thanks
x

[jowate]

Here's a couple more questions for you:

Is there mind outside the experiencing and thought?
Is there a body outside of experiencing of sensations?

T.x

[Biggles]

Is there mind outside the experiencing and thought?
Is there a body outside of experiencing of sensations?

No and no.

"Body" and "mind" and "body-mind" are concepts, labels, not experience itself.

There is just awareness/aliveness/energy - just physical sensations arising, mentations arising in any given moment. This last description points more directly at experience but is still the attempt at articulation, not the experience itself. Because direct experience is ultimately indescribable.

S x

[jowate]

You're done! Will contact you by email.

T.x

[Biggles]

Thanks very much T.
Immensely grateful.
Long haul!
xx

[jowate]

:-)