I would like to work with Dreamer

[dreamer]

Hi Gracie

Mystery is a great word :)

When you have time also look into this:

yes the brain is a mass that has qualities that think as the the stomach has qualities that digest.

That there is a brain is an assumption. There SEEM to a brain (an a stomach) as an appearance in life. How is 'brain' experienced in Direct Experience?

[dreamer]

Hello Gracie

That there is one, could that be an illusion as well?

Is there 'one'?
As an entity?
As a pointer to 'inseparable mystery in as which everything an no thing arises?'
As something else?
Or not?

the"I" is always there ready to jump in

Yes it is, that cute little bastard ;)

It is a matter of refocusing

What is?

also that the DE is hard to come by

In what way? isn't it just looking at what is, noticing thoughts about what is and not taking them into account? What is the hard part?

I know about the I but the experience as the alternative is not forthcoming.

Even when the I is there it is this 'mystery'. There is no alternative, there is only 'mystry' dressing different.

No problem :)

Warm regards Vivi

[gracie]

What is real?
I am going to take a leap here,, nothing is real. its all made up.

[gracie]

That there is a brain is an assumption. There SEEM to a brain (an a stomach) as an appearance in life. How is 'brain' experienced in Direct Experience?

It cant be experienced but the stomach can as in an ache?(sensation)

Is there 'one'?
As an entity?
As a pointer to 'inseparable mystery in as which everything an no thing arises?'
As something else?
Or not?

I am not sure what this question means but I want to say no.

It is a matter of refocusing

coming from the "I" place to the being place . refocusing is how I have been experiencing it. I mean, one minnute I am in the"I" then remembering the being I pop to that.

[dreamer]

Hello Gracie

coming from the "I" place to the being place . refocusing is how I have been experiencing it. I mean, one minnute I am in the"I" then remembering the being I pop to that.

Yes, this is what it looks like. But there are no two places. There are only This that is.

This 'sometimes' seems to be 'I' thought perception and 'other times' it is 'awareness'. That is an illusion! Can you see that the shifting from one place to another implies separation into two?

This is always as it is. No matter how it appears.

What is real?
I am going to take a leap here,, nothing is real. its all made up.

Yes it is.

I am not sure what this question means but I want to say no.

Made me :) - Ok then, when the answer is no - what is the question ?

Warm regards Vivi

[gracie]

Is there 'one'?
As an entity?
As a pointer to 'inseparable mystery in as which everything an no thing arises?'
As something else?
Or not?

Is there anything real? No , cant be. Its the mind thinking that.

[gracie]

This is always as it is. No matter how it appears.

But Vivi, it is all made up then who is making it up? as it is .. is what?

[dreamer]

Nobody is making anything up Gracie

It just is as it is.

Any explanation, description, thought of what it is and where it comes from is thoughts = 'made up' = not truth
Made up by no one.

The only thing available to find out what is is direct experience.
Have you noticed that when you answer from direct experience there are no doubts and no explanations. All there is is the experience.

Confusion, doubts, need for explanations, wanting to explain comes to life be thoughts.

and then THAT is what is - this instant.

There is nothing existing out of this instant - you can not direct experience 'outside of this instant'.

In direct experience - This instant - what doubts are there?

warm regards Vivi

[gracie]

This 'sometimes' seems to be 'I' thought perception and 'other times' it is 'awareness'. That is an illusion! Can you see that the shifting from one place to another implies separation into two?

This is always as it is. No matter how it appears.

Yes I can see this.So the"I" and its thoughts and comments is in and of itself not part of awareness but awareness?

In direct experience - This instant - what doubts are there?

none becaseu it is all happening and nothing is left out, aversions , attractions and stomachs digesting it all shows up, occurs, plays out in the infinate moment.Even the past and future fantasys are not separate.

[dreamer]

Yes Gracie I and its thoughts and every-apparent-thing else is 'inseparable awareness'.

None becaseu it is all happening and nothing is left out, aversions , attractions and stomachs digesting it all shows up, occurs, plays out in the infinate moment.Even the past and future fantasys are not separate.

Do you feel that you have seen through the illusion of 'I'?

Greetings Vivi

[gracie]

sometimes getting more so all the time.

[dreamer]

Sorry I do not understand

Greetings Vivi

[gracie]

sorry .. to short of an answer(



Do you feel that you have seen through the illusion of 'I'? you asked...

the answer is yes , and I am finding that my word "sometimes" was incorrect.. yes I have and am seeing this illusion AND am seeing it more and more of the time.
However,there are many moments where I forget it or I am in doubt.
I am able to get back to the place of seeing fairly soon after these times.

[dreamer]

Thank you :)

I will bring your answer to other guides to look into.
You will hear from me ASAP

warm regards Vivi

[dreamer]

Hi Gracie

When/if there is a moment of doubt, what does this doubt look like in DE, when you allow the doubt to simply be and look?

Greetings Vivi