Guidance requested.

[Chris]

I am confusing this "life" and "story" with what I AM, but there is no I..?

There is confusion, but it's not yours.

I cant seem to separate this knowingness that is present... from all that is known...

Precisely. Subject/object duality is nothing but a concept.

Because even "I" can sense this knowingness..even though Im not really real...

There is no you. There is knowingness.

So than what is aware of me being aware of something greater than me??

You need to answer this for yourself. There is no "me being aware of something greater than me". There is awareness of sensory experiences and thoughts. And the awareness, sensory experiences and thoughts are inseparable. Above you stated "I cant seem to separate this knowingness that is present... from all that is known.." Yes, yes, yes!!

Stop assuming there must be a what witnessing all of this and LOOK for it instead. Can you find that what anywhere?

[idomebutami]

So everything/anything that is knowable...is essentially happening of its own accord regardless of ANY perceived ownership?

So "life", love, relationships, identity, actions and seeking are all synonymous to the falling of leaves from trees...

Im not trying to foster mentalizations with those comments...but I feel like the above truths, if in fact they are, have the power to essentially objectify every aspect of "my reality" as to allow for a clear seeing of what I am not, ...the author and central character of all this. I know that ULTIMATELY this typing and seeking is just happening and that I am NOT in fact separate from what is known (regarding true nature)...but awareness appears to be apparently stuck in this relative realm for right now. This of course, paradoxically, is reinforced and perpetuated by exchanges in this forum.

I know, "all stories I believe", but...if I'm in the relative looking for the exit door to my true nature (no "my"), than perhaps a touch of guidance for the navigation out if it is required.

One more thing, after reading your prev 2 messages, I had a glimpse of understanding regarding my very first sentence in this post. And the "I" that "glimpsed" this, felt very singular...

[Chris]

I know, "all stories I believe", but...if I'm in the relative looking for the exit door to my true nature (no "my"), than perhaps a touch of guidance for the navigation out if it is required.

No buts. There is no you. How is there a you in the relative looking for an exit? How do you not see that this story is included in “all stories I believe”? Why is this story somehow different?

As for your true nature, it would help to drop that. Maybe it can’t be found because it’s a false belief/story just like the self.

There is nowhere to go. There is always just this moment. Thoughts arise saying there is something else needed, all stories. Observe the stories, see how they CREATE the “need” to be or see or feel or do other than what already is.

Next time a “but” thought comes up, STOP. Notice what that thought does, notice how that thought actually CREATES this search.

[idomebutami]

So was my first comment accurate?

[Chris]

So was my first comment accurate?

This one?

So everything/anything that is knowable...is essentially happening of its own accord regardless of ANY perceived ownership?

If so, sure. If you feel you've had some sort of ahaa moment related to this, please share.

[Chris]

So everything/anything that is knowable...is essentially happening of its own accord regardless of ANY perceived ownership?

So "life", love, relationships, identity, actions and seeking are all synonymous to the falling of leaves from trees...

Im not trying to foster mentalizations with those comments...but I feel like the above truths, if in fact they are, have the power to essentially objectify every aspect of "my reality" as to allow for a clear seeing of what I am not, ...the author and central character of all this. I know that ULTIMATELY this typing and seeking is just happening and that I am NOT in fact separate from what is known

I re-read your first post and the above is quite acurate. I addressed the part that I did because even though you have seen the above, you are still stuck.

[Chris]

Hi David, hope you had a nice holiday. How are things going with the inquiry?

[idomebutami]

Everything was nice. I trust the same "occured" for you.

I am experiencing a little bit of frustration amongst an otherwise insightful trend lately. As you stated above, my post was "accurate", so my understanding is solid; even the understanding that there cant be a "me" with an understanding, and that only understanding is occurring. But this is not good enough for me, because I am still separating the world into subjects and objects, I am still reacting as a person at times, I am still bored at times... These things are not indicative of an actual LIVING understanding of what I KNOW so solidly. Its not a "ding an sich" sort of thing.

So what is missing? At what point is does the minds understanding give way to its higher essence. Because comprehending the essence is not the same thing as being the essence of course.

[idomebutami]

Some statements are so simple and beautiful that you would think they would have innate power of transformation in and of themselves.

I am that which I am seeking. All waves are just ocean. All things knowable are autonomous. I know EXACTLY what they are pointing to. Yet, here "I" am still, as an "am".

[Chris]

Everything was nice. I trust the same "occured" for you.

I am experiencing a little bit of frustration amongst an otherwise insightful trend lately. As you stated above, my post was "accurate", so my understanding is solid; even the understanding that there cant be a "me" with an understanding, and that only understanding is occurring. But this is not good enough for me, because I am still separating the world into subjects and objects, I am still reacting as a person at times, I am still bored at times... These things are not indicative of an actual LIVING understanding of what I KNOW so solidly. Its not a "ding an sich" sort of thing.

So what is missing? At what point is does the minds understanding give way to its higher essence. Because comprehending the essence is not the same thing as being the essence of course.

Understanding this intellectually is not enough. Look at direct experience and see if no self is an accurate description of what you observe.

You see that there is no volition, no control, no YOU and then turn around and complain that this is not good enough for YOU. Can you see how convoluted that is?

[Chris]

Some statements are so simple and beautiful that you would think they would have innate power of transformation in and of themselves.

I am that which I am seeking. All waves are just ocean. All things knowable are autonomous. I know EXACTLY what they are pointing to. Yet, here "I" am still, as an "am".

The first thing we ask people who come to this site is to drop expectations. You are stuck at an intellectual understanding and keep getting stuck because you are convinced you know what it is you are going to find. I read all of those lovely quotes above before seeing this for myself and I thought I knew what this was all about. I had NO CLUE what was in store.

DROP THIS EXPECTATION OR YOU WILL NEVER SEE THIS!

[idomebutami]

So, right now...there is this sense of I. And through this..my individualized window to experience, I am now attempting to FEEL this open space that is unarguably here, right now...but I am also attaching this idea that "this open space is what i am"...that goes along with your expectation comments from above right?.

When my attention meets this attempt to feel this space...It feels like an expression of sorts...a constant but nameless expression. Verrry slippery tho. There is still a sense of control, or a NEED for control...accompanied by some subtle expectations.

I feel like its becoming all about my starting point for this inquiry...

[Chris]

So, right now...there is this sense of I.

Yes and the point of this inquiry is to see that this sense of I does not mean there is an actual I.

And through this..my individualized window to experience, I am now attempting to FEEL this open space that is unarguably here, right now...

That may be what you're doing, but that's not what this is about. We look at direct experience to see if there is truly a controller/owner/doer of senses and actions like we believe there is.

but I am also attaching this idea that "this open space is what i am"...that goes along with your expectation comments from above right?.

A feeling or experience of open space is just a feeling or experience. The point of this inquiry is to see that there is no you at all having these feelings and experiences. Not even a you as open space. Literally no you, small human you or big cosmic all encompasing open space you. No You!!

When my attention meets this attempt to feel this space...It feels like an expression of sorts...a constant but nameless expression. Verrry slippery tho. There is still a sense of control, or a NEED for control...accompanied by some subtle expectations.

All experiences that simply come and go... The point of this is to see that there is no inherently existent you that all of these experiences happen to. They just happen, to no one. They just are. No control, no owner.

I feel like its becoming all about my starting point for this inquiry...

Not sure what you mean here.

[Chris]

Did my last post help to see where I'm trying to point and where the disconnect may lie? Looking forward to your reply!

[idomebutami]

Yes as always.

By starting point... i mean... You are essentially giving specific instructions to an "individual"...informing them that they are not an individual. By seeking and accepting these sorts of exhortations, im essentially perpetuating the seeker. And untill I see that there is no seeker and so forth, I will always be LOOKING within the framework of a seeker. Im starting to get the impression that im not quite ready yet for what this forum encourages. Im still removing thorns so to speak. Of course these are all stories I believe, but I have yet to imbue a perspective that sees thru these things.

Intellectually, I believe I have cultivated a solid mechanism of reduction to continue to employ towards the deconstruction of my remaining sense of ME/I. Such is my path.

I feel the unravelling, for what its worth.