Request for Jeffdilbeck

[Tom1]

Hi !



Realization has not penetrated completely. From seeing to realization and finally being, is still unfolding gradually on different levels.
The separate self is believed from time to time.
Here are however my answers, and we can take it from there, to take it all the way.

Is there a 'me', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

'I' is a thought. The supposed entity 'me' who would have the 'I' thought does not exist. The I thought comes and goes but the 'me' has never come. It has never been there. The 'I' thought continues to pop up but there is not a separate 'me' to whom the I thought belongs to. There never was.

Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works.

Separate self is like transparent walls that build themselves around thoughts. The imaginary walls believe in their own existence and take everything that appears "inside" these walls to be personal. They give the feeling of a separate self. It requires a simple look to see the absence of any actual walls.

How does it feel to see this?

love

How would you describe it to somebody who is very interested, but has never heard about this illusion.

just like above. Then I would invite them to go to the movies and when the movie stops see how the separate self appears out of nowhere. invite them to see that the mere watching that happened during the movie is still happening. only the 'me' comes and goes. but the watching remains.

What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?[/quote]

I dont remember. Separation is still believed from time to time. The gate is still there :)

love,

Tom

[jeffdilbeck]

Separation is still believed here at times also.
Not like before gate, but still, sometimes. :)

Stories will be believed until they aren't anymore. It is that simple.
In this experience situations come because of dependent origination.

Having seen through the illusion of a separate self is a permanent ability, but it is not a constant ability.
Knowledge and application comes when it does, and there is no thing 'you' can do to make that happen.
There is no you anywhere, at all, ever.

Do you understand?
:)

I have not posted our thread yet to the other guides, because you have not yet told me that you are ready for aftercare. But you have looked inside and seen no you, you just have had residual self-ing happen. Everyone I have met who has gone through the gate has this residual self-ing happen. :) Well, I read yesterday that one person claimed they never selfed again. That is 1 out of 100's.

The job we at LU have is to show you the illusion of 'me'. We can't take something that doesn't exist away.

I'll tell you though, life is much easier after the gate, and things fall off, and wisdom has a way of sinking into the mind.

I would like to post your answers for confirmation as having 'seen through the illusion of a separate self' so that I can invite you to aftercare. You can learn how to deal with residuals there. Everyone in there has dealt with this a lot. Many of them are still dealing with it. Today, speaking for me, not so much. But if you asked me earlier this year, I would have told you that I was suffering a lot. I never have suffered. It took a while for this to be understood.


Love,
Jeff

[Tom1]

Hi Jeff,

What you write makes sense. Im happy to continue in after care.

Its been very nice to work with you. While reading your posts, I immediately got the feeling that this fellow here would be nice to work with and so it has !

So yep, you can post our thread for confirmation.

Yes, what you say about suffering is beautiful when you see what is actually going on. there was real amazement and love when first seen through. suffering still happens time to time (like the cynical period I had) but underneath the suffering, no matter how bad now, there is a knowing, there is a big O.K :)

love,

Tom

[jeffdilbeck]

Hello Mr. Tom,

I posted our thread for other guides to look over, and the only concern that was shown was the concern that you showed, your simple honesty that the sense of self returns. You have been confirmed as SEEN through the illusion of a separate self, but I was suggested the task of clearing doubts, before adding you to aftercare.

It is not mandatory, but I think that it would be beneficial.

It is within the rules to allow you to just go ahead there, but I think we should address a few issues first, with the blessing of two others' minds who I respect very much.

So let me ask you to look a little more :)

When this sense of self returns, what is happening?

When the sense of self passes, what is happening?

When all of that passes, what is left?

Is it possible for the big questions to be answered with the thinker?

Are you the thinker?

Is true nature something that one can be?

Please answer these questions in detail.

Thanks and love!
Jeff

[Tom1]

Hi Jeff !

No issues. I dont have a problem with being this or another thread :D
Here are my answers, and we'll see from there.

When this sense of self returns, what is happening?

Return is not a proper word, cos it never was there. Only the 'me' would think about itself as a return.
Experientally, the world view and direct experience is much narrower, just like confined inside the 'imaginary walls' that limit full experience of the moment, life as its showing itself.

When the sense of self passes, what is happening?

When the 'me' is not there, resistance is gone. life is experienced fully. there just is.
Eventually now, most of the time laughter appears as the 'me' is somewhat funny and cute. A lot of laughter for the moment :D

When all of that passes, what is left?

Everything that was there in the first place.
words like, beingness, life, or what i call 'is'ness

Is it possible for the big questions to be answered with the thinker?

no

Are you the thinker?

no

Is true nature something that one can be?

Everything already is.

love,

Tom

[jeffdilbeck]

Are there any doubts that this illusion has been seen through?
It is funny. : D
Love :)

[jeffdilbeck]

When this sense of self returns, what is happening?

Return is not a proper word, cos it never was there. Only the 'me' would think about itself as a return.
Experientally, the world view and direct experience is much narrower, just like confined inside the 'imaginary walls' that limit full experience of the moment, life as its showing itself.

This is such an amazing way to describe seeing reality from the human perspective. :)

[jeffdilbeck]

I sent you a private message also. :)

[Tom1]

Hi !

To answer the above question, there is no doubt.
There is pretty much just laughter and love :D

love,

Tom

[Tom1]

hi

Now I see where hesitation comes from.
Writing these answers above, I somehow felt that I did not know it. There was knowing, a real felt sense of it, and 100% certainty, but because this knowing wasnt confined and couldnt be confined by the me, because it didnt come from the 'me' where all knowing came from before,there was an uncertainty about it. and paradoxically, simoultaneously, there was a profound knowing that this was truer than what the me could come up with.

For the past few days, everytime i answered, silence was speaking. it wasnt 'me'. just let writing happen. eventually, I would think about expressions and what words would suit better when something wasnt clear, but thats just the mind doing its work , which is very fine. a neat tool of communication.

love,

Tom

[Tom1]

haha more,

and probably most importantly

this knowledge wasnt something that was acquired. (goes against previous sense of knowledge)
it was just known

and there was not a real knowing how it was known, it was just known
there really isnt even anything to know, cos everything already is

love,

Tom