Re: realizing selflessness
Posted: Tue May 05, 2026 12:23 am
P.S. Is what I put in the previous post really all I should report when I do ButtChair?
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My sense of self is located mainly in my head, sometimes with a sense that it extends down into my upper chest. I especially locate my “self” behind my eyes (like that’s the perceiving or witnessing part of “me”), maybe sort of extending down a bit but tapering off behind my nose. Sometimes (and this is something I noticed only recently, and it surprised me) I also have a sense of self in my mouth, especially the back of my tongue and back of my throat (maybe like that’s the speaking or acting part of “me”). And I sometimes also have a sense of self shaped roughly like a disk in the center of my upper chest, a little larger than a coaster. All of this feels connected in a wispy sort of way behind my face and a bit back into my skull and down my throat.Does the sense of self have a location?
Does the sense of self have a shape or a size?
Hmm . . . No, I don’t think so.Does the sense of self say or communicate anything?
n/aIf the answer is yes, how does the sense do this exactly?
Maybe not, or maybe just barely. It mostly seems like empty space or slightly misty: open, spacious, quiet, more or less transparent. But it’s aware. I guess that’s the key characteristic.Does the sense of self have any characteristics or attributes?
Hmm . . . Awareness? From this suggested list, the closest thing is thought.What is the sense of self ‘made of’? An image? Sound? Taste? Smell? Sensation? Thought?
Through direct experience, I have no access to the space right behind my eyes, which is generally the focal point of my sense of self. I can feel my mouth and throat and chest, but if I examine those sensations, well, I just feel physical sensations (which certainly don’t seem like a “self").What is found?
Good. It helps to be relaxed & lighthearted.That was fun.
Nope. There's no individual self accessible to direct experience.Can you directly find any cell anywhere?
I only see it intellectually. For decades now, I've been longing to see it viscerally also. (More than 35 years ago, while in residential training at a Zen monastery, I noticed with some amusement that I located my sense of self an inch or two behind my eyes, and I thought, "What's actually there? Just some brain matter.")It's okay if you only see this intellectually right now. That sets the stage for it to dawn on you viscerally.
I understand your concern, but I don't think it's an issue. I have approached self-inquiry, even when explicitly asking "Who am I?", with the sense that it's a sort of trick question: that I'll see directly that what I thought was my "self" is a fabrication and that all I'll ever find is a sort of open, spacious, aware nothingness that isn't even specifically "mine." Although I've learned from teachers in Advaita traditions, where the "self" might be imagined differently, my perspective is largely shaped by Buddhism. And most recently, I've mostly been sticking with Angelo DiLullo and Adyashanti (and, for a while, Henry Shukman), who are grounded in Zen and, thus, in a no-self perspective, even though they incorporate some Advaita.Asking who am I maybe keeping you thinking there's some "I" to find when there is not.
Remember that only fear & expectations can keep you from seeing there is no self.expecting to realize no-self.
Yes. Good reminder. Thank you.Remember that only fear & expectations can keep you from seeing there is no self.
Expectations have you thinking about a non-existent future. So do fears. You need to simply focus on what is right here, right now.
I'll give this a try.Basically, go through each sense and say (or think) "I see/ hear/ feel/ taste/ touch ______________."
Yes. Pretty much forever.Should I be continuing with ButtChair?