Feet first (or should it be head first?)

[jrm72]

Morning Vince,

I - Who?
know - What is knowing?
my - Do you own the idea? what is ownership?
Idea - Is this just a thought?
of self - Is this more than an idea? a thought?
has - Is this anther version of ownership?
no control - What is the absence of control?
of anything - ...any thing. What thing?

Thoughts about thoughts about thoughts etc
Feeling lost (another thought)

Your idea of an idea (self) is problematic?
How would you say this being more accurate?

The thoughts that create the self, are the same as every other thought.

the smell is overwhelming.
What conclusion do you come to if you smell shit but there's no shit to be found anywhere?

The smell is a metaphoric delusion, there's nothing there.





J❤️🙃

[jrm72]

Afternoon Vince,

Good day gardening.

No idea where I am in regards to liberation.

The self is an internal sensation, nothing more than a light pressure in the head.
For some reason a similar sensation anywhere else would be regarded as insignificant.

J❤️🤣

[jrm72]

Evening Vince,

Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

This question bugs the hell out of me.
I wrote a whole load of stuff, then deleted it because it was all thoughts.
Fuck - I don't know how to express what I'm experiencing, but it's definitely something and there's a self in it.
The self is an illusion to the senses, but so is love.


Synchronicity - why doesn't it happen all the time?


I'm full of questions, but they get me nowhere.


I fully accept DE is the base to work from and that I have no ultimate control, but I can't honestly say there's no self.




J❤️

[jrm72]

Morning Vince,


Been full of random thoughts all my waking moments since last night's meeting.
It's bloody irritating.


J❤️

[jrm72]

Morning Vince,

OK, the illusion of self never goes away.
There is no volitional control going on.
DE is sensed.
Thoughts happen..

There's been no change is my perception. No change at all that has been sensed or felt or whatever would be the right word.

Does anything happen now?


J❤️

[vinceschubert]

Does anything happen now?

No, you're stuck with this (until you're not) Get used to it.

v

[jrm72]

V,

Does anything happen now?
No, you're stuck with this (until you're not) Get used to it.

That makes me laugh out loud 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣


J❤️

[jrm72]

Morning Vince,


This illusion is 62 today 🥳🤣🖖


J❤️

[vinceschubert]

This illusion is 62 today

Oh so young. vince woke up on his 65th anniversary. (of his first scream)
At 76 experiencing the body breaking down (arthritic hand) and imagining James waking up and then paying it forward by helping a hundred or so others to wake up.
..and if each of them helped a hundred or so, wondering what the tipping point to sanity in the world might be....

much love

vince

[jrm72]

Morning Vince,

At 76 experiencing the body breaking down (arthritic hand) and imagining James waking up and then paying it forward by helping a hundred or so others to wake up.
..and if each of them helped a hundred or so, wondering what the tipping point to sanity in the world might be....

If it was possible to choose a story, I'd go for that one.





Currently sitting with what I've got.


A quick story - last week I had a day where everything went wrong, a rubbish bag busted and covered me in slime, lorry and coach got stuck in country lane and waited 15 minutes for them to sort it out, tyre burst, missed meeting - are the major points I remember.
And I got through the day with equanimity.


J❤️

[vinceschubert]

And I got through the day with equanimity.

Isn't being awake great!
Now tell me that it's not enough..

vince

[jrm72]

Hey Vince,

Isn't being awake great!
Now tell me that it's not enough..

If this is it, then it's enough.

I still can't answer the first question by saying there's no self.
But that doesn't matter, I'm comfortable with my self.


J ❤️

[jrm72]

Morning Vince,

Feeling mildly uneasy.

It's interesting, looking at DE, a label of "mildly uneasy" is attached to a series of sensations that individually signify nothing.


J❤️

[vinceschubert]

'evening James, If thoughts are always ABOUT something, then they are as tangible as the shadow play on the wall in Plato's cave. If your direct experience of anything is filtered through your conditioned view of the world, and so cant be trusted to reflect any absolute objective reality, Then what is actual?

vince

[jrm72]

Afternoon Vince,

If thoughts are always ABOUT something, then they are as tangible as the shadow play on the wall in Plato's cave.

I'm stuck on thoughts always being about something, but there definitely Pluto's shadows.





I

if your direct experience of anything is filtered through your conditioned view of the world, and so cant be trusted to reflect any absolute objective reality, Then what is actual?

DE is filtered through something, so what is actual is subjective.
My issue with actuality being subjective (which it obviously is) is that I can't seem to turn a cup into a snake, as a crude example of not being able to change my subjective view. So it feels I'm stuck with my personal subjectivity as an actuality.



J❤️🤣