They say I don't exist

[kirmizihap]

And would you say that this ‘existence’ or ‘being’ is what you feel and experience yourself to be?

Is there anything separate from ‘this’?

Is there a separate self, a ‘someone’ who exists, or is there just this existence?

I don't feel like myself, just an existence.

I don't know if it is separate. It's not about things.

There is no properties of existence.

[Harry]

I don't feel like myself, just an existence.

I don't know if it is separate. It's not about things.

There is no properties of existence.

What does it feel like to be this existence?

[kirmizihap]

What does it feel like to be this existence?

Money, belongings and similar things may be lost, but existence is not lost. Perhaps the only thing that threatens this is the fear of death. So it's reassuring to have something that won't disappear like other things.

[Harry]

Money, belongings and similar things may be lost, but existence is not lost. Perhaps the only thing that threatens this is the fear of death. So it's reassuring to have something that won't disappear like other things.

This is nice, but see if you can tell me more about your direct experience now of this ‘something’ that won’t disappear. It’s good that it’s reassuring, but what is it like in itself? Does it have any particular qualities? I appreciate that it may be hard to describe.

[kirmizihap]

This is nice, but see if you can tell me more about your direct experience now of this ‘something’ that won’t disappear. It’s good that it’s reassuring, but what is it like in itself? Does it have any particular qualities? I appreciate that it may be hard to describe.

We can call this consciousness. It becomes more evident when it is not covered by the thoughts and purposes of daily life. To exist, in short.

[Harry]

We can call this consciousness. It becomes more evident when it is not covered by the thoughts and purposes of daily life. To exist, in short.

When it becomes evident, are there any impacts emotionally?

[kirmizihap]

When it becomes evident, are there any impacts emotionally?

Yes, for example, when we perceive events as threats or experience bad emotions, we know that they are temporary and we hold on to our existence. This also feels good.

[Harry]

Yes, for example, when we perceive events as threats or experience bad emotions, we know that they are temporary and we hold on to our existence. This also feels good.

And does your existence have any personalising marks? In other words, is there any sign that existence is ‘yours’? Or is there just this existence?

[kirmizihap]

And does your existence have any personalising marks? In other words, is there any sign that existence is ‘yours’? Or is there just this existence?

I have no knowledge about the existence of other things, I am talking about my own existence.

[Harry]

I have no knowledge about the existence of other things, I am talking about my own existence.

Are you a ‘thing’ as opposed to other ‘things’?
Is existence a property of the ‘thing’ that you are?

Or, is there just existence?

[kirmizihap]

Are you a ‘thing’ as opposed to other ‘things’?

It seems so. We fight each other for money and bread.

Is existence a property of the ‘thing’ that you are?

I exist because of existence.

Or, is there just existence?

Of course there is existence. But character differences between people cause conflicts and that's why we are separate entities.

[Harry]

It seems so. We fight each other for money and bread.

If you go by your current experience, without referring to memory or speculation, what evidence do you have for being a ‘thing’, a ‘person’ or a ‘separate entity’?

[kirmizihap]

If you go by your current experience, without referring to memory or speculation, what evidence do you have for being a ‘thing’, a ‘person’ or a ‘separate entity’?

I am a thing because I am experiencing. This happens thanks to existence and experiencing.

[Harry]

I am a thing because I am experiencing. This happens thanks to existence and experiencing.

You imply that there is experiencing because you are a thing.

Are you sure it’s not the other way around: that you can only think you are thing, because there is experiencing?

Is experience ‘owned’, or is there just experiencing?

[kirmizihap]

Are you sure it’s not the other way around: that you can only think you are thing, because there is experiencing?

Yes, I think this because there is an experience.

Is experience ‘owned’, or is there just experiencing?

It can be owned because I think there are people who feel differently even though they look at the same thing. In reality, I can sense a little bit of what people are feeling.