Awakent

[Abner]

Can you look in your experience right here right now and tell me what is not happening as an automatic process?
Everything,now, apears to be an automatic
response, either internally ( I know you will ask me about that) or from external stimuli.
What is not give?
I dont think anything is not..(.if I understand the question correctly)
What is that you are actually doing to make this happen?
I am not doing anything, it all happens automatically

Sorry...my phone doesnt allow me to use quote.
I was able before, with a small post, such as this.
Now I find that as soon as I try to highlite the text goes up and the quote function dissapears.

[Ilona]

No worries about quotes, I can manage to understand.

Ok, so everything in this moment is given. All is happening by itself.
Was it ever differently?
Is there a separate self in charge of what is happening?
Is there a separate self at all?

Write exactly what comes up when you ask this.
Love

[Abner]

Was it ever differently?

No never

Is there a separate self in charge of what is happening?

No

Is there a separate self at all?

No...This is very refreshing.

[Ilona]

Refreshing.. nice..
and is there any but....? Or all is clear?

[Abner]

You know I thought about that..no " but"

[Abner]

I could say thank you and by..Im a little worried that I may loose this..so if you dont mind, can we continue for a while?

[Ilona]

We haven’t finished our conversation, far from it.

Please write more, a couple of sentences is not enough for me to see where you are at. Still waiting for answer to my questions, so take your time and answer in full. No rush. Be honest.

Is it clear that a separate self is an illusion?
And is there a doubt about that?

What can be lost? Is present moment something that can get lost?

Love.

[Abner]

GREAT!! will get back to you tomorrow

Love

[Abner]

Hi
Its kind of strange, I go in and out...the landscape
changes then returns..the butts come and go.
Will ans. your questions a little later.
Love

[Abner]

Hi
I am having a problem with my bank.
Must go to bank today.
Dont want to ans. your questions under stress
will get back in the evening...my time, still daytime
for you...I think you are in Europe

Love

[Ilona]

No worries, you don’t need to write here unless there is something to say. Write once a day, once you have investigated deeply and throughly.
Love.

[Abner]

Still waiting for answer to my questions.
I'm not sure about which of your questions
were not answered...I went back to look??
Please tell me what questions you are refferring
to.

Is it clear that a separate self is an illusion?
Yes, its all happenning by itself...with out a me
And is there a doubt about that?
Sometimes yes...simetimes no...as I stated the
landscape changes and then returns

What can be lost?
A false self can be lost

Is present moment something that can get lost?
No, the present moment is always there/present.
Its always the present.

Had a very stressful day...I was much more calm then my usual self. Coped well with it about 1/3
of my usual tension.

Tried to use the quote but my phone would not allow it.

[Ilona]

Dear abner.
Tha k you, for reply, Now you have answers my questions, good stuff.

What can be lost?
A false self can be lost

Interesting. Let’s look at this.
Close eyes for this exercise. Imagine, you sit on your sofa and here comes a unicorn for a visit. He lays down by your feet and you look at him. He is here and you are here and you communicate. He tell you stories about where he was yesterday and you tell him about a stressful day that you handled well.

Open your eyes. What happens to the unicorn? Is he lost? Did he vanish? Was he here?

Do you see an absence of a unicorn with eyes open? Or you only see the colours and shapes that are presently here?
So what happens to imagined self? Can it be lost? What is that gets lost?

Explore and write to me.
Love.

[Abner]

What happens to the unicorn?
Nothing happenned to him, he was never there.

Is he lost? Did he vanish? Was he here?
Isnt lost, vanished, or ever here...so you cant loose a false self,
because it was never there to be lost.

Do you see an absence of a unicorn with eyes open?
Only absent because he was "there" in my
imagination, when I open my eyes he's gone.
So I guess he is absent, even though he was never really there.
I think that Im dealing in samantics so it
is a little confusing...sorry!

Or you only see the colours and shapes that are presently here?
Of course all I can only see are the colors and shapes
that are presently here

So what happens to imagined self? Can it be lost?
It never existed so it cannot be lost. You cant
loose something that you never really had, you can only loose the idea of it.

What is that gets lost?
The "idea, thought" of an imagined self, but
not the imagined self, because it was never
there.

[Ilona]

Good stuff.
Here is a video for you. https://youtu.be/vVfvRetanr0
Tell me what comes up in experience when you ask the question. What is reaction, how is body feeling?
What do you notice?

Love.