Feet first (or should it be head first?)

[jrm72]

Morning Vince,

Yes am going to take my time grokking that last post.

Currently my grokking is, my grokking doesn't cut it.


J❤️

[jrm72]

Morning Vince,

There's nothing wrong with whatever comes up.
Although in the background is an idea that we are better off without this happening.

Yes.

Leave it in the background.

This is tough to do consistently.

If it comes to the foreground, then that is ok too.
Just remind yourself that it's not the issue.
What is (the issue) is how you respond to it.

Yes, my response is the issue.

What you respond to it with, is not the issue.

Having trouble grokking this bit.

It's your attitude towards the response that is.

Can see attitude makes the difference.

The most adaptive attitude is one of curiosity.
Being in discovery mode.
Wondering what might reveal itself...

Yes.
My trouble is getting into discovery mode when emotions are interrupting everything.
And staying in discovery mode for any length of time.





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[vinceschubert]

Good evening James,

What is (the issue) is how you respond to it.
Yes, my response is the issue.

What you respond to it with, is not the issue.
Having trouble grokking this bit.

Oh, ok. it was a bit obscure. You have to read and re-read my words to get what I point to. Language convention obscures meaning often.
The issue is HOW you respond to it. Not WHAT you respond with.
..and these words still don't do it justice.
They imply that one way is right and all others are wrong. This is not accurate.
Everything considered 'wrong' is a stepping stone on a path.
If you stop thinking in terms of right/wrong or good/bad, then there is no opinion (judgement). It's always a matter of how can it be useful.
Your job at the moment is not to DO anything. Don't try and fix something. Just notice...
Notice what your attitude is to what comes up.
Sure, in the background there is an idea of how it 'should' be, but that is just a reaction too. How do you respond to that, and (most importantly) how do you feel about your response? (what is your attitude)

with love

vince

[jrm72]

Hey Vince,

It's not obscurity, I know you're putting things the best way possible for me to get a glimpse.
It's the stubborn patterns and habits in my head.

Will digest your words, as always, the best I can. (using I as a convention here).


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[vinceschubert]

Good evening James,

It's the stubborn patterns and habits in my head.

This is a great example of something. Of how we simplisticate things. (I love making up new words)
"stubborn patterns", "habits" These are ok concepts for normal communication, but they are meaningless here.
Can you describe your experience of them?

love

vince

[jrm72]

Morning Vince,

"stubborn patterns", "habits" These are ok concepts for normal communication, but they are meaningless here.
Can you describe your experience of them?

When I notice this happening I will focus in on the DE and report my findings.


J❤️

[jrm72]

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stubborn patterns", "habits" These are ok concepts for normal communication, but they are meaningless here.
Can you describe your experience of them?

I find I do things, or react to situations without noticing how I started doing a particular action.
If I am aware, then I seem to have a choice in behaving differently.

My DE feels like there's a space somewhere in my head (that feels bigger than my head on the inside, like the tardis). Thoughts, including thoughts of self seem to appear in this space. Initially it felt like there were lots of thoughts appearing together, with the thought of self looking at all the other thoughts. The more I looked, I found there was only ever one e thought at a time.


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[jrm72]

Vince,

That meeting was a blast, to which the only conclusion is I have always been awakened.
And my intellectual understanding of that , is it.


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[jrm72]

Good Morning Vince,

I want to thank everyone for all the effort they willingly give in the Sunday (Monday for you) meeting, it's phenomenal.

My DE appears the same as it always has.
Seeing our kitchen.
Feeling bodily sensations, internal and external.
Hearing sounds.
Tasting that morning staleness in my mouth.
Smelling the remnants of yesterdays fire.
etc.

Thoughts abound and yes I believe some, if not most of them.
Don't know how to stop that.

I wish this sense of "I" would just pĥçƙ ø££.


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[jrm72]

Morning Vince,

Busy day today for me.

Have a great time yourself.

Will get back to you later.


J❤️🤣

[jrm72]

PS: -


I've realised I can put on a mask of enlightenment, but that feels like cheating.


A whole host of thoughts and concepts wrapped up in this line of words and the line above.


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[vinceschubert]

Good evening James,

I want to thank everyone for all the effort they willingly give in the Sunday (Monday for you) meeting, it's phenomenal.

Yes, they're great. If only the world was so genuinely open and non-judgemental..

Thoughts abound and yes I believe some, if not most of them.
Don't know how to stop that.

This is a big one. You don't stop that!
You notice it happening and you laugh.

I wish this sense of "I" would just pĥçƙ ø££.

You're allowed to say "fuck off"
Good news and bad news.. It's not going to.
After a while it will become meaningless.
Again.. just notice it and laugh.

And my intellectual understanding of that , is it.

No, that's not it. It's your response to that which is.
Over time your thoughts will stop insisting that you engage with them.

with love

vince

[jrm72]

Hey Vince,


One thing really caught my eye in your last reply -

It's your response to that which is.

Two things come to mind.
First, my response to that which is, is all over the place at the moment.
And second, is it my response that truly makes the difference?


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[vinceschubert]

'morning James,

is it my response that truly makes the difference?

Absolutely! yes!
Now, having said that, Of course it is simplistic (and life is anything but..)
It's actually your response to your response.
..or is it your response to the response to a previous response... (that was a bit clumsy)
Now, don't confine investigation to thinking. Look in experience for the layers of story that responses are responding to.

vince

[jrm72]

Morning Vince,

Look in experience for the layers of story that responses are responding to.

I "think" I get where you're pointing with layers of responses and layers of stories.
But isn't it just one layer repeated over and over, again and again.
One response to one thought, then one more thought one more response etc.

Well that's the way it appears to me at the moment.


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