Awakent

[Seamist]

Hi Abner
Hope you're ok in the current health situation...?

What came up is that I is just another "label"
for something.

Do you need to add the "for something"? It's a label, yes, but...

But what is that something??

This is a great question! Take your example of the box. When you say it is a :

six sided geometric object

- do you know that in direct experience? Find a box now and check it out
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[Abner]

- do you know that in direct experience?
If you are looking at a box...the answer is no
because you cant see all sides at once, but
if you are holding the box and rotating it
then yes, you can see/DE...all of its sides.

[Seamist]

Hi
The box is similar to examples we looked at early on, when you explored what is there in direct experience. There is just looking. We'll come back to this in a bit.
Many experience the ‘me’ as being centred in the head.

What I would like you to do is imagine a small apple centred in the head.
Before the apple disappears….

…imagine a canary centred in the head, tweeting away.
Before, the canary flies off (weird huh?)….
…imagine a 'me' centred in the head.
Stay with it…

…imagine it is completely transparent. See straight through it…
… Imagine there not seeming to be a 'me' in the head anymore.

Give it a go, see what happens.

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[Abner]

Interesting...not weird

[Seamist]

Can you tell me more about that?

[Abner]

The "me" is like the bird or apple...the same.
It doesnt really exhist in the head...just an
idea/concept.

[Seamist]

Ok, good
Like chocolate biscuits? If not, any food you like will do.

I can give you an imaginary chocolate biscuit - here you go!
Imagine that you take a chocolate biscuit and eat it – really feel it happening - the sensations, texture, taste, sound.

If you have some chocolate biscuit, eat one, if not, eat something else for the exercise (fruit), and compare: what is the difference between an imagined chocolate biscuit and the real one that is experienced? See if you can dive in the sensations of taste, smell.

Take your time to investigate how a real chocolate biscuit smells and tastes, feels in the fingers and so on. Focus on sensations and perceiving, without naming it.

Then for a couple of minutes describe the taste and smell.
What does description have to do with actual experience?
Is sense of self referring to imaginary self or something that is experienced?
Is there a self/I in the experience?
What is found?


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[Abner]

What does description have to do with actual experience?
The discription is similar to a label...has nothing to do with the actual sensing or imagining.
Is sense of self referring to imaginary self or something that is experienced?
Its "referring" to a self...I do exist.
Is there a self/I in the experience?
No only a referrance.
What is found?
I dont understand the question.

[Seamist]

Hi

Is sense of self referring to imaginary self or something that is experienced?
Its "referring" to a self...I do exist.

What's your evidence for that?

What is found?
I dont understand the question.

What did you find out?
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[Abner]

Hi

What's your evidence for that?
I have no evidence...but if you were to ask me
if I exist...my answer would be yes. I know I
exist...or a least I think I know.


What did you find out?
????

[Abner]

Be very careful...They say, in the US, that
60% will get Corona virus. This is very very
serious
Be well

[Seamist]

Serious indeed.
How are you getting on with my questions?
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[Abner]

I know it is very cut and dry...either you see
this or you dont...no partial way...no progress...
So in answer to your question: there is no calculating. You cant be doing good or bad...
just no progress.
You have been extraodinarily great.

Be well..Abner

[Seamist]

Hi Abner
I'm not sure that you've answered this, so am going to ask you once more:

Is sense of self referring to imaginary self or something that is experienced?
Its "referring" to a self...I do exist.
What's your evidence for that?

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[Abner]

I dont have any evidence...only a sense of being.