Re: Everything is Grist for the Mill
Posted: Wed May 15, 2024 3:01 am
Hello Deanna,
How does it feel to do this exploration?
Was there a shift of some kind?
How does it feel to do this exploration?
Was there a shift of some kind?
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I love discovering. It’s joyful. The body seems to be a fruitful pathway for me.How does it feel to do this exploration?
All shifts so far have been subtle. This latest is the realization that what I thought was direct experience of the body was actually thought content most of the time. This has helped me see even more the difference between DE and thought content and the identification that goes with it.Was there a shift of some kind?
I sense that you have seen through the illusion of the self I while ago.All shifts so far have been subtle. This latest is the realization that what I thought was direct experience of the body was actually thought content most of the time. This has helped me see even more the difference between DE and thought content and the identification that goes with it.
No, and there never was. ‘Self, me, I’ are thought content which is not reality.Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form?
Was there ever?
I have no memories of a time before the illusion of self came into being.2) Describe how the illusion of an independent, self came into being by giving examples from actual experience.
Then give some experiential examples of how life changed for you after seeing through this illusion.
.3) How does it feel to see this?
What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days
Your description of direct experience vs. thought content was very helpful. The body awareness exercises showed me how ‘entangled’ DE and thought content are. The stream description helped with understanding free will and control. I’d say there were a bunch of little ‘got its’ that built upon each other. Before your guidance I conceptually understood no self but didn’t know how to use DE to confirm. And, honestly, I needed your validation because I didn’t trust my intuition nor my own experience. Now I trust.4) Can you remember any specific inquiry that resulted in an epiphany? ..a before and after seeing the actuality of the Self. Was there a point when you ‘got it’?
My experience tells me there’s no me that does any of these things. And in my experience it sure feels like these things are happening or being ‘done’. Sometimes there’s a correlation between a decision that’s made and an outcome but I can’t know if correlation equals causation I only have my experience, I can’t go ‘outside’ my experience to see the big picture, everything is my experience. It may be countless prior and present conditions and conditioning of the subconscious but how can anybody possibly know? I’m fine with the mystery because there’s no other choice. I don’t know how it works and what a relief that not knowing is!5) a) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control. What makes things happen? How does it work?
Give examples from your own recent experiences to how these things happen and how they work.
‘I’ am responsible for everything and there’s no ‘I’. But “I” am also not to blame. Shit happens, there’s response and adaptation and there’s love and there’s only experience, an opening in the chest. I can’t explain it - it sounds all jumbled but that’s where I’m at right now.b) What are you responsible for? Give examples from your own recent experiences to how this works.
I’m not sleeping well these past couple of weeks. My life is noisy and busy with immediate family and grandkids so apparently the middle of the night is the best time for all my shit to present itself. It’s all good, I’m sorting out the thoughts, feelings, and sensations - lots of anxiety, sadness, and also excitement. Feeling into the body and questioning thoughts6) Anything to add?
I don’t believe that exploration is ever completed which is probably one of those cherished thought/beliefs that I haven’t looked at, lol. I can think of some that I haven’t considered looking at yet. One belief is that family is the most important thing in my life. This belief is not associated with any discomfort or charge so it’s “benign”. But it’s not off the table to look at. My intention is to look at everything regardless of how cherished or benign.Are some thoughts/beliefs more cherished than others - are there any that Deanna does not dare look into even after completing the exploration?
Are there any stories that refuse to be challenged right now?
Life is pretty sweet right now! Yet everything is ‘grist for the mill’. I have faced life challenges in the past - terminal illnesses of loved ones - head on.About the reality of challenges in Deanna's life?
There’s lots of thoughts and beliefs concerning Deanna’s body! I’m questioning those.Deanna's body?
This is why I am here on this forum. I want my assumptions to be known and questioned. I worry about self delusion. I know there’s a tendency to get lazy when life is easy and everything is great. I need community to keep me honest.Deanna's awakening?